I'd like to open a pandora's box here. do we have total freedom? to say what we want? etcc.. i'd like to hear some opinions.

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there's trade offs for freedom. like in the USA, many things are controlled, and laws/rules are strictly enforced - less corruption.

in croatia for instance, one is more free to do whatever they please, things are not as strictly enforced/controlled yet there is order in a way. hehe. i dunno, then again, there's more corruption there. but that dont bother me, i'm not entirely ethical myself sometimes.

>JM<

No, we don't have total freedom. I'm not even allowed to possess codeine ffs.

People say the U.S. needs a government that gets things done. Bullshit, I say, we need a government that gets things Undone. At least 95% of our legal code could use a nice vacation to Mr. Shredder.

Oh trust me, things here are very controlled if you want to do them in a legal way. The problem is that if you don't do something in a legal way, usually nobody really cares. That's because punishments for illegal actions are usually neglegable.

But anyway, the individual is always free to make his/her choices, even in most oppresive regimes. But some actions carry their consequences. And while it is debatable how stern the guidelines which enact those consequences should be, a complete lack of those guidelines leads to total catastrophe, because then you are free to commit actions that will harm others at no cost. That leads to total anarchy, from which the strongest and most brutal individuals rise to power, and then they enact their own rules, which are usually oppresive and unfair. Still, even then you can say or do what you want, it's just a matter of how the society is going to get back to you.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Oh trust me, things here are very controlled if you want to do them in a legal way. The problem is that if you don't do something in a legal way, usually nobody really cares. That's because punishments for illegal actions are usually neglegable.

IF you want to do them in a legal way... that is right, and you're also right about nobody caring because of the neglegable or i say ineffective punishments i've seen more corruption there in one summer than i have seen here the 11 years i've lived here.

still love my


>JM<

After living only for about a month in Holland I can say that the United States seems like a very repressive country. But of course, that's only fair in comparison to such a country that is probably light years ahead in everything from social issues to the whole attitude of the people.

Also, I have been an American citizen from birth and neither me or my people have ever been able to practice the basic democratic principle of voting for those who govern us and design our laws. My island is the oldest colony on Earth (over 500 years) and it belongs to the United States of America. Freedom in the US? Whatever.

Civil "freedoms" in the Puritan USA?

1. Illegal to drink before you turn 21.
2. "War on drugs," "zero policy," strictly enforced.
3. Can't drink outside. Strictly enforced with jail time.
4. No nudity/sex AT ALL allowed on public and 95% cable TV.
5. Many weird sex laws prohibiting blowjobs, porn magazines, etc., in at least 70% of the country.

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i dont think any country has total freedom. But it all depends on your definition of freedom. If your speak as if it means..you can do whatever you want..whenever you want...wherever, then no. YOu can prolly live in isolation in an unhabited island and mebbe get close to total freedom as possible

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To be free is not to just do what you like, or to break away from outward circumstances, but to understand the whole problem of dependence. For me, freedom implies the total destruction and denial of all inward psychological authority and conditioning. Now,
the idea that authority constrains individual freedom is clear enough, but we generally tend to think of that authority as something
working from without, the outside. The idea of the existence of an inward psychological authority dictating our behaviour and our thinking, even determining what we feel, see and experience, is another matter.

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