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_Ocean_Drive_
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Building a house - speaker question

Hello c0re,

I'm having a house built for March 2023 and want to know from all you audiophiles out there...

Is a high-quality TV theatre system also good for just playing music? or should I am for speakers for Home Theatre, and other speakers just for music?

Brand recommendations also welcome...

kthnx


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Be sure to check out rtings.com if you go the sound bar route. Granted, most audiophiles build a DIY solution with a good receiver and separate speakers, but if you do go the bar route, rtings.com tests for both movie viewing and music, with graphs showing the frequency response, etc.

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I'm thinking of building a club/bar/lounge next year. Actually, not a club, more like a bar or lounge where you can buy records and chill with like-minded music heads. In London, I would be way out of my league and could never come close to accomplishing anything. In other places around the world, though, there's a chance for us to create the dance. Anyway, this is one of the many questions that has popped into my head. I'm researching like crazy and networking. Design is easy here. Permits and all that other shit is, too. But how to get the sound right (and possibly with screens) is my conundrum. This is still all in such an infant stage, but I'd love the read my responses to this question. Cheers.

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Unless you're listening to music that's specifically designed with 5.1 theatre systems in mind, it probably won't matter much.


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Funktion One should make a soundbar.

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Almost any 5.1 system with a sub will make dance music sound thumping. No need to separate music from home cinema.


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If you’re having your house built for a speaker you should make the speaker your house

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_Ocean_Drive_
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quote:
Originally posted by planetaryplayer
If you’re having your house built for a speaker you should make the speaker your house


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Yeah, that's difficult to argue with right there!

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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Almost any 5.1 system with a sub will make dance music sound thumping. No need to separate music from home cinema.


True, but I also like my classical / choral stuff, and I can imagine that 5.1 / Atmos or whatever would be 'overpowering'?

In any case, I am veering towards the cinema side, but would like to try out standalone speakrs - I've heard some pretty nice quality from Bowers & Wilkins...


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quote:
Is a high-quality TV theatre system also good for just playing music? or should I am for speakers for Home Theatre, and other speakers just for music?


for the most part yes, your AVR receiver should be able to switch to direct mode and just play on the sub + FR and FL anyway which is what you'll end up doing 99%. receivers can upmix it to 7.1 but it's not great. to be honest, Sonos is the only brand I've ever listened to Music on and actually said "holy shit the upmixing makes a huge difference"

All your Marantz, Denon and shit license the same Dolby / DTS chips that have that PLxx upmixing shit that I was talking about. Sonos only pays Dolby but they don't license the upmixing portion, that is their own in house shit that works good. but sonos has a gang of their own problems and shit, they are the apple of the home theatre world, it's bullshit.

Realistically though, since you're a new build just go for a ballin home theatre setup. focus on that and then the music part of it is just an added kicker. look at avsforum.org for advice on that. DTS/Dolby have some reference diagrams on where you should do your "ideal" placements in a totally new setup you could factor into your architect's diagrams.

source: me owning sonos arc and surrounds and dumping my childhood earnings into all sorts of home theatre equipment and reading AVSforum

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken
Atmos is a format for movies, not music. It’s 8+2 channels while stereo is 2. When playing music you would normally play in stereo only using 2 channels (meaning the remaining center and rear and side speakers will be mute). A sound system can never be too powerful. The same applies for both music and film (and for that matter; clubs too): you want flat frequency response, full range, high dynamics, clarity etc. If you buy an Atmos system that ticks of those properties it will work great for music too, however it will cost and take space. Alternatively you can reduce cost by prioritizing good speakers only on front channels and go down on quality for center and rear. Still you need to take some matching of amps and speakers, look for high sensitivity. I recommend separate power amps and pre-amp/processor but again it will cost. What’s your room size and budget? Are you ok with having many large speakers and subs all around (what’s the WAF in your home-situation)? Soundbars is a waste of money, you need width in any case both in stereo/music and film, soundbars are practically mono - ok for watching news but nothing else. Personally I never bothered with cinema sound, most movies sounds great on a high quality 2ch hifi from $1,5k while most home cinemas does not play music very well unless you’re approaching 3-4k. Give me budget and a room size and I can recommend some solutions.


use some fucking paragraphs here bud.

- atmos is not 8+2, that's wrong. its 7.1 with height channels so technically 9.1

- A sound system can never be too powerful.
is also very wrong, you can absolutely oversize a system.

- you buy an Atmos system that ticks of those properties it will work great for music too, however it will cost and take space
what, just no.

- Alternatively you can reduce cost by prioritizing good speakers only on front channels and go down on quality for center and rear.
lol this is just bad advice, your center channel is probably one of the more important speakers in the soundstage.


also atmos isn't even a factor here, everything is mastered in stereo for music anyway, unless you get some fucking DVD of a concert or something so it goes back to my post above this.

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