other then besides the fact that you are a homosexual.. i think they're great

Although homosexuals perfer the same sex, which personally I don't, they are still human and should be treated as such.

Hmmm, I do believe I posted about this a while ago.

I went to a gay rights meeting for one of my lectures, and they informed me about some interesting statistics on why Gay's want the right of marraige. Upon marrying someone, you insure yourself 1,500 additional rights to you and your spouse. The alternative that gays are given, grants them a whopping fifteen extra rights.

A gay couple cannot make any decisions for thier significant other, they cannot decide what happens to the body or the way the person is buried or where they are put whatsoever.

This is why they are pushing for the marraiges.

They should be treated as human beings, not freaks. You can't help who you love. (Or for that matter, what sex you love)

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gay mariages? -> NO

gay civil union? -> ok so they can STFU all right.

child adoption and other stuff to make them look normal? -> NO

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Originally posted by ahlamalek gay mariages? -> NO gay civil union? -> ok so they can STFU all right. child adoption and other stuff to make them look normal? -> NO

Did you not just read what I wrote? The reason why gays want marraiges and not that so called honor of having a "civil union" is because of rights.

What do you have against gays? Their attraction to the same sex? What makes a gay person less human than a straight? Or less "normal" as you put it? Who they love?

What happened to "You can't help who you fall in love with"? Or, is there a hidden rule in there? "You can't help who you fall in love with, that is, unless it's the same sex, then we are going to discriminate you, alienate you, take away all your rights, laugh at you in the street, kill you, and make your life a living hell".

Yea, that sounds about right.

You're ignorant if you think that someone is not "normal" simply because they like the same sex. (Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

*edit* Not to keep rambling, but comments like that truly make me furious. Actually, it makes me simply livid.

Here we are, in this little forum, arguing day in and day out about the latest topics and discrimination, battling arguments about Saddam, World Leaders, and so much more, and yet, some of you still can't admit to yourselves that a gay is as much as a normal person as you are.

For example, what would you do, if someone you grew up with, say a brother, admitted to you when he was, *throws out a number* 23, that he was gay. Are you going to shun him? Treat him as though he's a freak? Disown your own family? Simply because of his sexual preference?

When someone says they are gay, that means they are standing up for their rights and beliefs. Letting the world know what they believe in, fully knowing the comments they will recieve. I applaud their courage, and you egg on the discrimination. Fantastic for you, give yourself a pat on the back.

The colour of someone's skin, their heritage, their culture, their beliefs, and their sexual preference should not matter. These not "normal" people, are just like you. They are a person in the world, trying to make the money, and live their lives. What does the fact that their gay, have to do with anything?

Does that mean that they are less eligible for the job? Suddenly, are they going to create problems by simply being in the same room? Are they criminals? No, No, and oh yea, No.

Get over your fears and eliminate this bias.

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Hell yes, give them the same rights as everyone else.

btw, i'm talking about civil marriges here, I don't give a stuff about ones sanctioned by religion, they mean nothing to me.

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err married or not they can be both together if they want to. they still take it up each other's ass

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Originally posted by Clyde77 err married or not they can be both together if they want to. they still take it up each other's ass

That isn't the point. They are denied the right that so called 'normal' couples are given, as anuneventrade documented in her post above.

And I don't see what them 'take it up each other's ass' has to do with anything. Seems to me that you might have a slight problem with homophobia.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Did you not just read what I wrote? The reason why gays want marraiges

yeah i read that and understand fully, but I don't have to agree with you

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Or less "normal" as you put it?

the way they act in public (still have those images engraved in my brain from their last parade)

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What happened to "You can't help who you fall in love with"? Or, is there a hidden rule in there? "You can't help who you fall in love with, that is, unless it's the same sex, then we are going to discriminate you, alienate you, take away all your rights, laugh at you in the street, kill you, and make your life a living hell".

hey relax there, no one is taking their rights. All they wants is some extra rights that belong only to couples as it was intended to be.

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Yea, that sounds about right.

not really

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You're ignorant if you think that someone is not "normal" simply because they like the same sex. (Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

actually no, i can have my own opinions and not be brain washed by some organizations like you(Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

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*edit* Not to keep rambling, but comments like that truly make me furious. Actually, it makes me simply livid.

you must be really cute all furious send some pics

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Here we are, in this little forum, arguing day in and day out about the latest topics and discrimination, battling arguments about Saddam, World Leaders, and so much more, and yet, some of you still can't admit to yourselves that a gay is as much as a normal person as you are.

who said the gay issue should be AN ISSUE? Govt and media gives way too much attention to them, there's more important problems in western societies.

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For example, what would you do, if someone you grew up with, say a brother, admitted to you when he was, *throws out a number* 23, that he was gay. Are you going to shun him? Treat him as though he's a freak? Disown your own family? Simply because of his sexual preference?

yes.

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When someone says they are gay, that means they are standing up for their rights and beliefs.

since when being gay is part of someone's beliefs

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Letting the world know what they believe in, fully knowing the comments they will recieve. I applaud their courage, and you egg on the discrimination. Fantastic for you, give yourself a pat on the back.

*asks mom to give me a pat on the back*

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The colour of someone's skin, their heritage, their culture, their beliefs, and their sexual preference should not matter.

exactly, it really doesn't matter, why should the media focus on it then

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These not "normal" people, are just like you. They are a person in the world, trying to make the money, and live their lives. What does the fact that their gay, have to do with anything?

they can do whatever they want, i really don't question their existence... what i am bothered with is that these people want to banalize something called mariage between a man and woman and want to apropriate their rights.

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Does that mean that they are less eligible for the job? Suddenly, are they going to create problems by simply being in the same room? Are they criminals? No, No, and oh yea, No. Get over your fears and eliminate this bias.

no you're exagerating alot here, i work with some gay people and the only thing that annoys me is their personnality, they always want to show you that their better than you hehehee this always makes me laugh. but anyways

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the way they act in public (still have those images engraved in my brain from their last parade) hey relax there, no one is taking their rights. All they wants is some extra rights that belong only to couples as it was intended to be. who said the gay issue should be AN ISSUE? these people want to banalize something called mariage between a man and woman and want to apropriate their rights. no you're exagerating alot here, i work with some gay people and the only thing that annoys me is their personnality, they always want to show you that their better than you hehehee this always makes me laugh. but anyways

Some of your points above have been removed as they didn't relate to whaty i'm about to say, so if your post looks shorter and/or chopped, that would be why

Firstly, that's a gross generalization you just made there. What do you mean by 'the way they act in public'. Do you presume to know every gay person that you see in the street, in fact, how do you know if someone you walk past is gay?
Also, what do you mean (exactly) by 'the way they act in public'.

As for your 'couples as it was intended to be' comment, I contend that the original 'concept' was flawed, and needs to be changed. There are gay people who maintain loving, stable relationships, and what right do you have to tell them that they are somehow less worthy of basic rights than a hetrosexual couple.

Homosexuality is an issue because of the disctimination against gay people that is prevenant in some circles today.

On to your point about marriage. If you're coming at it from a religious standpoint, then ignore what I say here, but if not, then what the hell?
Marriage is just a man made system to legally (civil unions at least) recognise the union of two people etc etc. What is so sacred about that which means that gay people cannot also be awarded the same rights? If it is man made (which it is), then it can therefore be flawed (which in mky opinion, it is).

Finally, your last comment. Here we go again, you're generalizing. Come on, as if all gay people 'act like they're better than you'. Once again, how do you know when you're talking to a gay person, they don't exatly wear stickers to advertize their sexual prefferences now do they. Admittedly some of them might be a bit sensitive about their sexuality, and be a bit quick to defend themselves, but that (in my opinion) is purley because of people who like to discriminate against them, make jokes about them, and generally make them feel like shit.

Anyhow, what that exactly is wrong with being gay? I've still yet to hear a valid (non religious) reason for the argument that homosexuality is in some way wrong.

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