hey guys, some tunes just dont go together. (bass wise) so i loose the bass.. i know for sure that the tunes are beatmatched perfectly but for some reason i still loose it like 4 counts i loose bass then it'll come back again. is it the volume of the record coming in or is it something with the EQ? any tips? thanks in advance1!!

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make sure you are mixing in phase. Are you cueing up the record and throwing it in at the beginning of a 4? Make sure you are mixing in phase, or else you get cancelling of beats instead of the beat "complementation" that you want and makes the beat stronger.

| x x x x | x x x x | x x x x | x x x x |
..^

positions to drop track in indicated with ^ on 4by4 bars.

Im not sure if this is what you are looking for.

I don't understand well what you've written, but i believe that's a melody clash. It happens when tunes heave keys which don't combine.

There is no way to mix keys which don't combine. You just have to choose another track...

Even without any musical education, it's easy to spot if the keys don't go along with each other. Just beatmatch the tunes right, leave them to play a min or so and you'll spot the clash, especially in the higher frequencies.

I used to mix like this, but I changed my style up completely. I assume when you are mixing in you are keeping the bass on both records. DOn't. Turn the incoming record's bass about half way off and when you match up the phrases at the right time, turn the new song;s bass on, and the old one's off. It makes for sweet smooth sounding mixing. But beware on volume levels and make sure the two songs go we together otherwards its not gonna sound too great.


-Steve

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Originally posted by Clyde77 hey guys, some tunes just dont go together. (bass wise) so i loose the bass.. i know for sure that the tunes are beatmatched perfectly but for some reason i still loose it like 4 counts i loose bass then it'll come back again. is it the volume of the record coming in or is it something with the EQ? any tips? thanks in advance1!!

Hey there Clyde,

I think what seems to be the problem is this. When you are mixing you are actually getting the kick drums matched pretty spot on (give or take a little as with all of us ). When this happens, if you are not using your EQs correctly the waveforms of the kick drum on each track will start to cancel eachother out.

Try this:
First of all you have to get used to the idea of using your EQs more. Although I will say that on the whole it's only the bass EQ that's really useful. You do get other DJs using the Mid and High but on the whole it doesn't really do anything essential to the mix in my opinion until you really know how to use it.
I'm assuming that you have gain on your mixer also.

1. If you are using the crossfader for mixing then stop. Leave this in the middle and use the channel faders instead. This will give you more control over incomming/outgoing tracks.

2. Have the gain of the incomming track turned down slightly and the bass down a whole lot more. *Remember that some mixers have different frequency ranges on their EQs so all the way down may be too much on some mixers.*

3. Slam in or Fade in the incomming track (depending on the mood you are creating).

4. Turn the bass down slightly on the outgoing track and bring the gain on the incomming track up.

5. Now bring the bass down a little more on the outgoing and up a little on the incomming.

And so on...

This is only a rough guide as each mix will be different but just to give you an idea of what you could do. This does take a bit of practice and you will probably find somethings that work for you.

Dmatrox also mentioned 'Phrase' matching which will definately help improve things with regards to how and when you use your EQs as you can use the music to que the EQ events for you i.e. at the end of a drum roll swap the basses completely by turning down the outgoing bass EQ and turning up the incomming.

And as Evan mentioned, make sure you get the relative volumes of the tracks sorted out before hand in your phones. Best to rely on sound as LEDs can be very missleading.

If you mean the bass as in the bass sound rather than the drum sound you may well find you have a key clash as Borron mentioned. That is a whole new world that you are about to step into... welcome to keys and harmonics.


Cheers
Nem

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if your mixer has individual channel L-R balance, you can try offsetting those a bit, that might take away from the bass-clash you are talking about

Good words from Nem. I've found that when the bass of two songs cancel each other out due to spot on beatmatching, that by getting them slightly un-beatmatched it will still sound beatmatched but the bass beats will both be hitting.

I hope that makes some sense, and by no means am I advocating bad beatmatching!...just that hearing the bass cancel each other out can be quite annoying on my speakers, let alone big club speakers.

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Well this little phenomenon is known as "flanging". When the two separate channels you're mixing offset each other, they cancel one another out. I'm not entirely certain about the science behind it, but it only occurs when the frequencies of two separate channels (usually under the 700hz range) are equal in gain and "perfectly" synced. Hence the reason it only happens for 1-4 beats.

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Originally posted by YellowG555 Good words from Nem. I've found that when the bass of two songs cancel each other out due to spot on beatmatching, that by getting them slightly un-beatmatched it will still sound beatmatched but the bass beats will both be hitting. I hope that makes some sense, and by no means am I advocating bad beatmatching!...just that hearing the bass cancel each other out can be quite annoying on my speakers, let alone big club speakers.

True, this can be done by VERY slighty touching one of your records. It is only a solution though, when you have both tracks exactly beatmatched.. When they only do it for a few beats, then they're not exactly beatmatched (since they're drifting away from each other), and then the mixing techniques from Nemesis could come in quite handy

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What I usually do is either get them a little bit off to get more bass, or I'll kill one frequency (or at least move them to -26 dB since my mixer supports -32 and it sounds bad) while turning the other track's bass completely on. That happened in 4 transitions during the last cd I recorded

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thank you guys for the help..

i tried all the things you said. what worked was the killing of the bass of the incoming song then slowly turning it up while slowly turning down the bass of the outgoing. (this worked with some records, but not all)

ive only started mixing 6 months ago, ill play around some more, hopefully get this problem solved. and also ill maybe buy new mixers.

thanks for the help again !!!!

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It takes a bit of practice but it will become like second nature to you in a short time. You will find that you will be able to do it with most of your records in time.

cheers
Nem

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