So how are they going to handle smoking at clubs now? Are they going to building bigger patios? Like say for Tiesto (which I guess is in the Koolhaus) are they going to have a fenced off area for smokers, near the entrance?

Or make like a smoke room?

I tend to only really smoke when I'm out. I don't smoke at home and I don't smoke during the day @ work.

So - although I like a smoke at 4 am in a club - I guess this is good as it will keep me from smoking. So I agree w/ the ban.

However - I do feel the gov't shouldn't get rid of the smoking rooms as people have invested a lot of money in them - and if the gov't decides to they should repay the restaurants 100% of the costs involved in making said smoking rooms.

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because it sounds like a lot of work to build a dsr (designated smoking room), get it approved and whatnot.
I'm interested if major venues sort of planned for this (which I imagine they would). But it would be also interesting to find out how quickly something like this can be done in Toronto.

so the firken pubs are introducing a new kids menu due to the smoking ban. A lot of sports bars are converting to family restaurants to try and save their revenue. Could this be a trend? Is Toronto about to lose what little edge it already had?

And now i read today that the health dept is really trying to get a smoking room ban for JUne 1 2007. I swear, these idiots need to wake up and smell the smoke of reality.

round two...

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for what it's worth (which ain't necessarily much...but it's something for all the doomsayers claiming business are going to wither and die), from today's Toronto Star:

"Pub owners have reported few problems enforcing the ban, which was introduced March 29 in a country where around 30 per cent of adults smoke.

The Office of Tobacco Control report said that the number of non-smokers visiting pubs and bars has increased slightly since the introduction of the new law, while the number of smokers visiting has remained the same."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

Thats great for pubs where u can go in and out.... id love to see the numbers for CLUBS

Well its not like I'm NOT going to Tiesto because I cant smoke at the venue. I'm just hoping that I still can. And hoping that when I bring smokes to a club, and forced to empty pockets, lo and behold, is a pack of cigs. And thus confiscated by whoever is working the door.

A sad day that would be.

(insert phillip morris bitch slap here)

Many magazines/newspapers are debating that the summer season gives the "smoke in the patio/skybar/outside area" ability, but when winter rolls back over, they're fuk'd.

They'll have to deal with converting an existing room into a dsr (which by law must consist of no more than 25% of the entire property, as I remember, but I could be wrong)...
Eventually the costs of such renovations if necessary, will be paid for by profits.. i don't doubt that.

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Until the do gooders ban DSRs in 2 years...

nah, they won't confiscate them (I assume?), becaue you'll be allowed to smoke on the patio and stuff like that...

I'd say most clubs won't have TOO much of an issue developing an in/out policy for smokers...there are far more pubs and restaurants affected by the ban than clubs...although people tend to spend more time in a club than in a pub, for example.

either way...businesses are not going to suffer that much.

The thing that will make or break it is enforcement.

Last time around, it was mostly left up to staff to get ppl to butt out, and they got tired of the hassle after awhile due to the volume of smokers out @ night.

If the bar's get hit with fines, they may be a bit more pro-active in enforcement, but I think this will fall by the wayside yet again.