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imokruok
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Thumbs up Berlusconi's speech to Italy and the Rome protestors today

This takes guts to say, especially with thousands in the streets and an Italian government system that likes to regularly reorganize itself. I didn't see the press give much mention of it, so I have reproduced it here for your info.

quote:

AGI Online
Berlusconi's Declaration
04 GIU 04

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?d...eng.italyonline


A people which forgets its past cannot build a bright future. That's why it is right for us Italians to recall the 4th June 1944, when, sixty years ago, the allies freed Rome, our capital, from the Nazis, two days before the US troops landed in Normandy, to liberate Europe. Those were the last days of our winter. The US president is now on visit in Europe to commemorate those painful but glorious days.

He will come to Rome, then to Paris and Normandy. Well, a part of our political sphere are using this visit as an excuse to express their hostility towards the United States. That's why I decided to intervene, because Italy must prove to the world it is a good host, that it knows its history.

I am not worried by freedom of expression and thought: that's the essence of democracy. What worries me is the possible, absurd violence which we have already witnessed. I am worried by the conviction of some youngsters that burning a flag or breaking a shop window can make one stronger. But that is totally wrong.

Yet what I really fear is that an extremist demonstration may lead the Italians to forget the real, profound, historical meaning of the event we're celebrating. Some of us have lived those days, while the majority of us have read about it. They must know that their fathers, their grandfathers, who took up arms against the Nazis, considered the allies as saviours. They must know the price the Americans paid to free our continent.

Half a million killed in world war II. More than 7000 killed on D-Day alone, in Normandy; 25,000 killed to liberate Italy. Some of them rest in peace in our country, buried in Anzio. I suggest you visit that cemetery, and see the names of people unkown to you: John, Charlie, Robert, Ted, Howard... Men aged 20, 22, who gave up their life for our freedom.


An ancient bond links us to the USA. Millions of Italians found their well-being in that hospitable country. Our brotherhood with the USA dates back to those days, and cannot be deleted. Besides, after the war, the reconstruction of our cities and our economy was made possible by that generous Marshall Plan, which allowed Italy to head for its economic miracle. It is even thanks to America that many Italians, thieves of bicycles, could then buy a Vespa and a Fiat Seicento. We must not forget.

When two terrible planes violated New York's sky and demolished the Twin Towers, killing more than 3000 people, we said that we all felt American. We didn't say that just because we were touched, but because that attack was also an attack against the western world, and the entire world. We realised we were facing another threat to our freedom. We thought that after the fall of Communism, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the era of peace would finally come.

But terrorism declared war on us, a war which we never thought we would have to fight. The most vile of wars. Not always has the international community been wise enough to tackle this threat. Once Afghanistan was freed from the Taliban regime, democracies diverged on the Iraqi affair. I don't want to comment them again. I just want to say that Italy didn't take part in the war. We only sent troops after Saddam Hussein's fall, and following a parliamentary debate and the UN resolution 1511.

Peace keeping troops, the same as we did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Afghanistan, to guarantee security and the operating of hospitals, schools, social services. In order to restore democracy.

We must be proud of our soldiers. Hence, our mission in Iraq is a peace-keeping one, but someone still denies it. We cannot mistake the prey with the predator! A peace-keeping mission doesn't cease to be so just because of the attacks of terrorist militia. On the other hand, that's when our presence becomes even more important. Soldiers are sent to carry out these missions because they are high-risk ones. Withdrawing our troops from Iraq today would be .


(Speech ends there...don't know why. Probably not fully translated from Italian yet).


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BadBadNeil
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Amen.

It's sad when people use this time to demonstrate and they lose the whole meaning behind this day. It should be a day of reflection, there are plenty of days in the year to demonstrate. Millions of people from many countries died to protect Europe and the rest of the world and no one should ever forget that even when their generation dies off.

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Beautiful words from the great corrupt neo-fascist leader of this country. Don't be tricked by the smooth tan or the usedcar salesman smile! This guy is the worst leader in western Europe.

Italy is a fascinating country. There's the extreme right and the extreme left, but almost nothing in the middle.

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quote:
A people which forgets its past cannot build a bright future. That's why it is right for us Italians to recall the 4th June 1944, when, sixty years ago, the allies freed Rome, our capital, from the Nazis, two days before the US troops landed in Normandy, to liberate Europe. Those were the last days of our winter. The US president is now on visit in Europe to commemorate those painful but glorious days.


Hehehe, I like how Berlusconi shifted the whole WW2 blame to Germans and avoided any Italian responsibility by saying the allies liberated Rome from the nazis.

Now, for the rest of the speech, it's a classic example how pro-war people like to mix apples and oranges. Yes, America did a good thing during the WW2 (probably so that the western Europe woudn't fall into the Russian hands, though, but nevermind that), and yes they did a good thing in Afghanistan (although they supported the taliban government in its early stages and didn't act when they tore down those two huge Budha statues), but does that mean they did a good thing in Iraq? The simple answer to the question is no. The action was done for reasons that are still unclear and shady, and the post-war planning was naive and unsatisfactory.

Regardless of that, what's done is done, and I agree that it is stupid to withdraw forces now, because such a course of action would result in total chaos and islamization of the country. I agree that Italy should keep its troops there, and I think that at this moment it is necessary for other European countries as well to provide a large multinational force of peacekeepers because it is obvious that the current american forces there are not nearly strong enough to keep the country under control. Unfortunately people are loud when calling for war, yet they freak out whenever bodybags start to arrive so it's going to be very hard to convince even the current members of the coallition to stay, let alone invite someone new. Unfortunately, I don't believe Bush is capable of changing that trend considering how he managed to turn almost the entire global community against him, so the only real hope for the Iraqi people is that Kerry wins the elections and manages to convince other nations or the UN to take a large part in the reconstruction campaign.


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Bush boldly goes where no president has gone... I can't remember a US president who has generated so much resentment that every country he visits they need to dispatch riot police to keep the people from killing him.


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two days before the US troops landed in Normandy, to liberate Europe

What a fucking twat

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