- I believe the Bible was written long ago as a way to scare people into doing the right thing, basically a scare tactic to keep people in line (i.e. if you do “x” you will go to hell..etc).
- I believe we evolved over time.
- I believe something created the universe (maybe some God set it in motion and gave man free will but I do not believe he created the world in 7 days or whatever).
- I do not believe in Adam & Eve (I guess Creation)
- I do not believe in Noah’s Arc (Someone please tell me how he got 2 lions in Africa and 2 kangaroos from Australia lol)
- I do not believe anyone split any sea.
- I do not believe in heaven (though I would love to..but I think people think if they believe in it long enough then they will go there…another scare tactic…I believe when we die there is nothing..scary thought)
- I do not believe God answers prayers.
- I do not believe God is some old man in the sky casting judgement on all of us.
- I do not believe we are all here for a reason
- I do not believe any Jesus walked on water (if there even was a Jesus)
- I do not believe the 10 commandments (like George Carlin said “10 is a nice number – 10 best dressed, top 10 songs 10 commandments..why not 9..why not 11…because 10 is a bold number..strong sounding” LOL)
- I do not believe in hell or satan…but I do believe there is evil in the world..but created by man alone.
- I do not believe we all have a chosen path because that contradicts free will..makes zero sense.
- I believe if God does have a chosen path for us then why does God bother playing the game..i mean I don’t watch movies I know the end to…if he knows the end to everyones life then whats the point..seems like a childish sadistic game he is playing (by himself at that – weirdo)
- I do not believe the suffering of children is acceptable in any way shape or form..yet people say it is Gods doing…well then God is a sadist!!
The reason for my beleifs is based on the proof I have read on sciene and religion..and science seems MORE logical to me then the religious side…I am STILL open to learning more of the religious part..but at this point science “to me” is more logical but I am always open to learning more about God and MAYBE beleiving it…but have yet to see any proof…except some old book..
This is not ment to start a change tiesto14’s mind..all it is – is for you guys to tell me if I am a Atheist, Agnostic, Deist, Nihilism, Theist based on my beleifs…if you need more info then let me know…because I am tired of telling people I am a Christian..because I don’t think I am.
Also a friend of mine who is Catholic asked me if I will still get married in a church…and I said yes..and he said that I make no sense…and I think he is right…anyone care to help me understand this.
Jun-15-2004 03:12
Q5echo
asymetrical scepticism
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas
conflicted?
from what i've read and not knowing anything else about you, you should affirm or re-affirm your faith.
FAITH, being the operative word, would be a start at finding out more about yourself and if you can handle the daily struggle of existing in a world that will constntly challenge that faith.
remember, you live amongst humans and all that humans bring in to this world. the good, and the bad. if you want to live with faith, don't put it in a humans hands.
Jun-15-2004 03:52
tiesto14
Let The Music Play
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: The Palladium New York City
quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
conflicted?
from what i've read and not knowing anything else about you, you should affirm or re-affirm your faith.
FAITH, being the operative word, would be a start at finding out more about yourself and if you can handle the daily struggle of existing in a world that will constntly challenge that faith.
remember, you live amongst humans and all that humans bring in to this world. the good, and the bad. if you want to live with faith, don't put it in a humans hands.
If by "FAITH" you mean
1. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
2. Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
Then add to my list above that i do not beleive in faith.
Jun-15-2004 04:11
Renegade
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Atheist = Someone who doesn't believe in God.
Agnostic = Someone who has no convictions either way about whether God exists or not.
Deist = Someone who believes in a God, but not in the God of any existing religions or an interventionary God.
Nihilism = Rejection of pre-existing values. It's not as negative a method as many people will try to tell you.
Theist = Belief in a specific theology (i.e. Christianity, Hinduism etc.).
That's just a guide though, and we could be here all night arguing about what the differences between atheists and agnostics, for example, really are. Based on what you've written, I'd say you're a deist / pantheist (basically that god=nature).
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: The Palladium New York City
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
Atheist = Someone who doesn't believe in God.
Agnostic = Someone who has no convictions either way about whether God exists or not.
Deist = Someone who believes in a God, but not in the God of any existing religions or an interventionary God.
Nihilism = Rejection of pre-existing values. It's not as negative a method as many people will try to tell you.
Theist = Belief in a specific theology (i.e. Christianity, Hinduism etc.).
That's just a guide though, and we could be here all night arguing about what the differences between atheists and agnostics, for example, really are. Based on what you've written, I'd say you're a deist / pantheist (basically that god=nature).
I knew you would know..
So you say i am a Deist/Pantheist because i believe in God..but only that he created the universe?...if so i want to add that i beleive God evenetually intended for man to happen..but created the universe and let man evolve...does that make sense..
And what is pantheist...
and thanks for the help...nice talking to u again.
Jun-15-2004 04:16
igottaknow
PerfectTeeth R4 Dinosaurs
Registered: Feb 2001
Location: The Future
I will pray for you.
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Jun-15-2004 05:06
Renegade
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
A deist is literally just someone who believes in a God, but when it's used it's usually referring to someone who believes in God but who isn't a theist (i.e. they don't believe in any specific theological system). A pantheist is someone who believes that God and nature are the same thing - that is, that God doesn't really have any special powers (except he might have created the universe) he's just the force that holds the atoms together and makes sure that everything runs smoothly according to the laws he's created. It's pretty difficult to explain, but I reccomend you look for some writings by Spinoza (from the 1600s) if you want to learn more. He's probably the most famous pantheist that ever lived.
Deists (as opposed to theists) and panthiests generally don't believe that God interferes in daily life, so if you believe that God is responsible for the evolution of man then maybe these aren't the right terms to describe you. Er, maybe a "weak theist"? Anyone else with any thoughts?
Originally posted by tiesto14
If by "FAITH" you mean
1. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
2. Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
Then add to my list above that i do not beleive in faith.
then i take it back. your more than just conflicted. your ashamed.
no offence...but you want to hide behind a definition to justify a self descriptive aknowledgement of god?
again, i don't know you aside from your post, and maybe we're just bored, but i don't think anyone will be able to truly help you but yourself.
Jun-15-2004 06:13
trancaholic
Danish Prophet of Doom
Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Aalborg
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
Deists (as opposed to theists) and panthiests generally don't believe that God interferes in daily life, so if you believe that God is responsible for the evolution of man then maybe these aren't the right terms to describe you.
Well, to a true pantheist daily life would *be* God. Likewise with evolution. Therefore, I would classify Tiesto14 only as a theist - his religion being science and two-valued logic.
For agnostics, I would say that your definition describes the "weak" agnostic, whereas the "radical" agnostic (like me) believes that it is impossible for man to know the true essence/nature (including potential existence) of God.
Tiesto14: I think that you ought to know that your rejection of religion due to science, is a very strong belief in itself. Very much of science's treasury has been claimed through the application of induction and the law of the excluded middle. Both principles are not fully backed up by reality (as defined by the sense inputs we recieve), and science is therefore not the clear cut "truth" that some of its activists claim.
Jun-15-2004 06:59
arctic
Teh Pwn
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Australia
quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
then i take it back. your more than just conflicted. your ashamed.
Eh? He doesn't come across as 'ashamed' to me, he just doesn't like the idea of faith - which is completely understandable. Faith is what you're left with when you've got no proof to back up what you're saying. Unless I'm misunderstanding you?
quote:
no offence...but you want to hide behind a definition to justify a self descriptive aknowledgement of god?
I must admit, you've lost me here. How is he 'hiding behind a definition'?
quote:
again, i don't know you aside from your post, and maybe we're just bored, but i don't think anyone will be able to truly help you but yourself.
This I agree with.
Tiesto14: I strongly urge you to read up on Secular Humanism. You might have some issues with it since it's generally atheistic, but you'll probably find it interesting none the less.
Well, since Renegade already said all the definitions, I'll pretty much agree with him and say that you're most likely a deist with a streak of pantheism.
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Jun-15-2004 11:43
tathi
wanderlust
Registered: Jan 2003
Location:
artic the devout atheist preist preaches secular humanism :P
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