just wanted to give this thread a little bump so the people who thought only france and iraq were having financial misdealings with the oil for food program.

House of Representatives subcommittee?

this reeks of partisaned politics already.

wake me up when this becomes a real issue.

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Originally posted by Q5echo House of Representatives subcommittee? this reeks of partisaned politics already. wake me up when this becomes a real issue.

Yes, can you say partisan witch hunt? I knew you could.

My rule: the US press is not allowed to touch this story until they actively report on what is quite possibly the largest bribery scandal in the history of the world. Money from Saddam to the UN to France. It's like the triangle trade, except the US got the short end of the stick instead of Africa.

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Originally posted by imokruok Yes, can you say partisan witch hunt? I knew you could. My rule: the US press is not allowed to touch this story until they actively report on what is quite possibly the largest bribery scandal in the history of the world. Money from Saddam to the UN to France. It's like the triangle trade, except the US got the short end of the stick instead of Africa.

This will blowover soon. It might be the october surprise....when the world finds out that U.N.(FRANCE, RUSSIA, GERMANY,etc) helped saddam build up his capital and sanctions would be lifted..Hell even hide his weapons of mass destruction. Russia's faulty intelligence even said he had WMD? So is it in Russia's backyard?

UN Security Council (2002) nations with illicit Oil-for-Food dealings with Saddam Hussein:
France, Russia, China, Syria

UN Security Council (2002) nations planning to oppose a US-led resolution to disarm Saddam:
France, Russia, China, Syria


OIL FOOD MONEY..wonderful isnt it? Now that the Deulfer Report proves that France, Russia, etc were bought off by Saddam Hussein with Oil-For-Food bribes...

Last edited by speedracer_mec on Oct-08-2004 at 07:01

I personally haven't examined the oil-for-food question too much, primarily because I kinda took it at face value and believed that there was some major corruption going on with those 3 allied countries in question. But what I didn't know is that the case itself relies very heavily on none other than Chalabi?

If this is true, well, considering how big of a fucking liar this piece of trash is, how much should we really believe here? Here's Josh Marshall's take on it, which I felt he stated it much better than I could:

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Here's a question. Not a rhetorical question, but a real question. Over the past several months we've several times discussed the charges that Iraq used oil-for-food money to bribe various international dignitaries and politicians, including Benon Sevan, the head of the UN office that administered the program. The oil-for-food program was riddled with corruption, as was known long before the invasion. And if these charges are true as well, then heads should roll. But, as I've noted repeatedly before, I remain skeptical since the documents incriminating these individuals came right out of the Chalabi operation in Baghdad. And, quite suspiciously, he and his assigns have repeatedly refused to hand those documents over to independent investigative authorities to authenticate them. Again and again, silly or nonsensical excuses were proferred for not doing so. Needless to say, with Mr. Chalabi, ascertaining whether these documents are forgeries or not is hardly an academic exercise. The story has again resurfaced now -- in large part because the charges are included in the Duelfer Report on Iraqi WMD. Not surprisingly, Vice President Cheney pounced on the story yesterday on the campaign trail. And in a virtual tour de force of inanity, President Bush today suggested that the invasion may well have been justified by Iraq's abuse of the oil-for-food program. But has any independent observer -- most notably the Volcker Commission -- gotten access to those documents yet? As recently as August 10th, Judith Miller reported in the Times that Volcker still had not been allowed access to the original documents to ascertain whether or not they were forgeries. This passage in an article in the AP suggests that hasn't happened ... quote: The lists, parts of which had been published previously, were compiled from 13 secret files maintained by former Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan and the former oil minister, Amir Rashid. But there was no independent verification. "We name those individuals and entities here in the interest of candor, clarity and thoroughness," the report said, adding that it did not "investigate or judge those non-Iraqi individuals." Several U.S. firms were on the list but their names were not released because of privacy laws. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0-2004Oct7.html There's a separate question about why U.S. firms on the list aren't being identified, only foreigners. But, setting that aside, has any independent body yet reviewed those documents? And if not, why are they being given such credence considering Chalabi's record as a convicted criminal, forger of documents, producer of phony intelligence and, in all likelihood, someone who passed on American intelligence to Iran? http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar...0_03.php#003615

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But if its in the report

I think we should look into both...the wmd report and oil for food drama....regardless of party alignment

I myself have.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec But if its in the report I think we should look into both...the wmd report and oil for food drama....regardless of party alignment I myself have.

Oh I fully agree with you, and I hope I didn't sound like we should merely dismiss the case based on it's possible questionable source (Chalabi). On the contrary, we should get to the bottom of the issue and see where it leads.

Hey, where the hell is everyone this morning? You poli junkies got hangover or somethin'? C'mon, man, we're less than 4 weeks away from the biggest fuckin' election in our lifetime. No time for sleep, man!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hey, where the hell is everyone this morning? You poli junkies got hangover or somethin'? C'mon, man, we're less than 4 weeks away from the biggest fuckin' election in our lifetime. No time for sleep, man!

meh american politics have become old and annoying. Isn't there an australian election coming up? There must be some good dirt there.

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