I'm really fucking losing my cool here. I cannot fucking believe Bush. A new terrorist warning was just issued that Al Qaeda was coming to murder our children in schools. Funny how this is seemingly the only time we hear about Al Qaeda, when there's supposedly new "chatter" and terrorist threats aimed toward us in some way or fashion. Nevermind our pathetic little huntdown in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Anyways, you really think this new terrorist warning is just a fucking coincidence when the polls showed a few weeks back that "security moms" were all freaked out about the Russian school killings? And here we have Bush, out of nowhere, telling us that Al Qaeda is comin' after your pre-schooler. Who's numbers are fallin' again? Strange that. Just curious, but why were there NO FUCKING WARNINGS 7 FUCKING WEEKS AGO WHEN THE RUSSIAN KILLINGS ACTUALLY HAPPENED? No no, they happen now, right before the election, right on the target swing votin' "security moms", right when his numbers are sinking, yet again:

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U.S. Alerts Schools About Terror Threat By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 7, 2004 Filed at 1:22 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Education Department has advised school leaders nationwide to watch for people spying on their buildings or buses to help detect any possibility of terrorism like the deadly school siege in Russia. The warning follows an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the siege that killed nearly 340 people, many of them students, in the city of Beslan last month. Advertisement ``The horror of this attack may have created significant anxiety in our own country among parents, students, faculty staff and other community members,'' Deputy Education Secretary Eugene Hickok said in a letter to schools and education groups. The safety advice is based on lessons learned from the Russia incident. But there is ``no specific information indicating that there is a terrorist threat to any schools or universities in the United States,'' Hickok said. Federal law enforcement officials also have encouraged local police to stay in contact with school officials and have encouraged reporting of suspicious activities, the letter says. In particular, schools were told to watch for activities that may be legitimate on their own -- but may suggest a heightened terrorist threat if many of them occur. Among those activities: -- Interest in obtaining site plans for schools, bus routes and attendance lists; -- Prolonged ``static surveillance'' by people disguised as panhandlers, shoe shiners, newspaper or flower vendors or street sweepers not previously seen in the area; -- Observations of security drills; -- People staring at or quickly looking away from employees or vehicles as they enter or leave parking areas; -- Foot surveillance of campuses involving individuals working together. The effort is the latest by the Education Department and other federal agencies to encourage school officials to maintain and practice a plan for responding to emergencies. After the terrorist takeover of the Russian school, President Bush asked his top advisers to review their strategies for dealing with hostage situations, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has said. The federal government is advising schools to take many steps to improve the security of their buildings. Those include installing locks for all doors and windows, having a single entry point into buildings and ensuring they can reach school bus drivers in an emergency. The Education Department sent its letter by e-mail Wednesday to school police, state school officers, school boards, groups representing principals and many other organizations. The Homeland Security Department also sent a bulletin Wednesday to federal, state and local emergency officials to provide fresh guidance based on the review of the school siege in Russia. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nat...tner=ALTAVISTA1

How many fucking times have these fucking douchebags released "terrorist threats" when Bush's numbers are sagging/sinking? What do you think are the probabilities of these continual, coincidental events occurring? I'm fucking sick to death of Bush politicizing these terrorist warnings! I bought the duct tape! I dug a hole in my back yard! I invested in a "safe room"! I bought a parachute and I fucking wear it everyday, just in case I happen to need to jump out of a building 10 stories or higher! I bought groceries and stocked up on supplies just in case of a terrorist attack! I look around at EVERYONE to see if I can notice someone "foreign", "European", or "Middle-Eastern"! I look REEEAL closely at those guys with turbins on their heads, as well as those women who wear those long thingies that cover up their hair - Christ I even call my local police department and the FBI on a weekly basis just to keep them abreast of all the suspicious fucking terrorist-looking people I see everyday!


I'm sick of the bullshit, Bush. You are a fucking disgrace for politicizing terrorism. It is a complete fucking disgrace to those people who died on 9/11, as well as a disgrace to their loved ones. You've disgraced our country and image long enough. I am no longer believing that you merely need to leave the office. I believe you need to be held fully accountable for deliberate distortions and misdeeds. I call "bullshit" on this threat Bush, yet again.

Jesus I need a beer.

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Sometimes a pic says more than my profane mouth:

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From ABC News, the alert is actually quite specific:

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School Plans, Security Information Gathered by Suspected Iraq Insurgent Focus Concern on Schools in Six States http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/...t_041007-1.html By Brian Ross Oct. 7, 2004 — Schools in six states in particular are being watched closely based on information uncovered by the U.S. military in Baghdad this summer, law enforcement and education officials told ABC News. A man described as an Iraqi insurgent involved in anti-coalition activities had downloaded school floor plans and safety and security information about elementary and high schools in the six states, according to officials. School officials in Fort Myers, Fla.; Salem, Ore.; Gray, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; two towns in New Jersey; and two towns in California have been told to increase security in light of the discovery. Officials in the New Jersey towns, Franklinville and Rumson, were notified by counterterrorism officials last month that their schools had been possibly singled out.

The liberals preach about open government. Now they've got it. The administration has information, they release it. Why? Because if anything were ever to happen, the first thing that people would want to know is "Why weren't we warned?!?!" And there would be a big-ass investigation from the Democrats on what the Republicans were keeping from the public.

A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them. The reason that the administration releases everything is because of the "gotcha" intelligence culture that the Democrats have created. Don't complain about being informed. You made your bed. Now f---ing sleep in it.

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Schools in six states in particular are being watched closely based on information uncovered by the U.S. military in Baghdad this summer, law enforcement and education officials told ABC News. A man described as an Iraqi insurgent involved in anti-coalition activities had downloaded school floor plans and safety and security information about elementary and high schools in the six states, according to officials. School officials in Fort Myers, Fla.; Salem, Ore.; Gray, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; two towns in New Jersey; and two towns in California have been told to increase security in light of the discovery. Officials in the New Jersey towns, Franklinville and Rumson, were notified by counterterrorism officials last month that their schools had been possibly singled out.

hook, line and sinker

sorry, i think opus is still on top of things with his timing arguement. feel free to discount me as a liberal peacenik kook for thinking that bush may possibly have had motives other than appeasing the democrats by warning us of impending doom.

perhaps for the sake of national security, the pentagon couldn't release said information until closer to the election... i mean after the facts were analyzed and all potential participating parties were found in their iraq/ al-qaeda meeting rooms.

this is the type of bullshit justification drivel that one should expect. give them something to chew on. what you won't hear is that this described anti-coalition terrorist may not have been a threat before the US invaded Iraq. Bush is doing a great job dealing with the enemies that he's creating. got us good and scared.

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A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them.

do you really believe this, or were you on a blind run?

Question:

We, as tax payers, payed billions of dollars on home security system, they said no terrorist can come to this country, but why the fuck Bush say theres a terrorist attack comming soon?

Answer:

A, Money what they suppostu put into home security system dissapeard
B, Bush brought a new house for 450 million
C. He spent all the home security money to bail out his underage drunk girl again.

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D. All of the above

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Ahhh i havent thought about this

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Originally posted by imokruok From ABC News, the alert is actually quite specific: The liberals preach about open government. Now they've got it. The administration has information, they release it. Why? Because if anything were ever to happen, the first thing that people would want to know is "Why weren't we warned?!?!" And there would be a big-ass investigation from the Democrats on what the Republicans were keeping from the public. A release like this really has no effect on the public unless it directly concerns them. The reason that the administration releases everything is because of the "gotcha" intelligence culture that the Democrats have created. Don't complain about being informed. You made your bed. Now f---ing sleep in it.

Yeah, I caught that later. And I stand firm on my feelings on the matter here. I find it incredibly and exceedingly difficult to believe that a CD found in Iraq with school pics on it was just a "surprise" finding and indicated that they were going to target our schools and children. Specifically, and here's where my foil hat falls off, I think this is utter bullshit. I think there was either NO CD found, or that a CD was created and planted. I'm sorry, but the timing is just too fucking coincidental. Too much bullshit has bitchslapped Bush in the past week regarding Iraq and intelligence (along with his 1st debate).

I don't buy it. I'm sick to death of hearing this Administration cry "wolf". I'm done. Fuck 'em.

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Sorry if I'm patting myself on the back a little on this, but I believe we got down to the bottom of the issue here and the whereabouts of this CD. It wasn't "planted", as I had suggested. Rather, it was from a guy who had connections to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq.

So IOW, it was either a dumb, overblown misunderstanding, or a deliberate, willful exaggeration. I tend to think it's the latter. I sure hope you scared those "security moms" enough, there dickhead. Nice going - yet another fine example of your fucking scare tactics, Bush:

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Disks found in Iraq show info on U.S. schools Friday, October 8, 2004 Posted: 11:29 AM EDT (1529 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military in Iraq has discovered two computer disks containing photographs, layouts and other material pertaining to American schools in six states, U.S. government officials said. The FBI is examining the materials, but a Department of Homeland Security official said the intelligence community determined there was no threat. The military retrieved the disks in Iraq within the last couple of months, and they were turned over to the FBI, one official said Thursday. "There is no threat associated with this," another government official said. The schools are in Fort Myers, Florida; Salem, Oregon; Jones County, Georgia; New Jersey; Michigan; and California. The Department of Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a person in Iraq, and it could not be established that this person had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said. Officials said that they are taking the matter seriously though there has been no specific threat related to the recovered material. The U.S. schools were notified in the last few weeks so they would be aware and could take any action they deemed necessary. "State and local law enforcement personnel have informed us of the need to increase our school security during this election season," said Jones County School Superintendent William Mathews Jr. in a letter sent last month to parents of students in the Middle Georgia community. "It is important to know that no threat of any type has been directed or is suspected against any Jones County school." The FBI sent an advisory to terrorism task forces across the nation to inform them about the material, a Department of Homeland Security official said. No public notification or other action associated with a heightened state of alert was taken, the official said, because it did not seem necessary to "elevate it to that level based on the assessment of the intelligence community." U.S. officials said they don't know how to explain why such material would be found on computer disks in Iraq. They said the information recovered is publicly available through the Internet or other means. The Department of Homeland Security official said the information included a Department of Education guide on how to plan for a crisis in schools. A senior government official said there is no indication anyone was on the ground casing the schools. One official said the retrieved information is "all of relatively recent vintage." Authorities said this information is not related to a bulletin that the FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued Wednesday to schools and law enforcement about school safety in the wake of the Beslan, Russia, massacre. A senior official said analysts are going over the information and are examining all possible scenarios. As the official put it, schools have been mentioned as possible terror targets in previous intercepted conversations between alleged operatives and in interrogations of detainees, but nothing has emerged recently. "There is no analysis by the intelligence community that the Iraqi information or Beslan information or any other information indicates there is any plot to attack a school in the United States," said Brian Roehrkasse, a Department of Homeland Security spokesman. CNN's Kelli Arena, Kevin Bohn and Jeanne Meserve contributed to this report. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/08/sc...iraq/index.html

SCARE first, ask questions later. Excellent analysis and response on intelligence.

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I yearn to shout,
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Hmm, that CNN report seems to contrast heavily with this report on the source of the CD pics:

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"Iraqi insurgent captured in Baghdad last summer [who] had allegedly downloaded floor plans of elementary and high schools in Florida, Oregon, Georgia, New Jersey, Michigan and California." http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WA...ooltargets.html

And what's with 2/3 of these schools being located in swing states?

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Opus, you aging, liberal, hippie, douche! Its all a plot by the liberals to destroy society! Liberals like us wanted an open government, thats why Bush was so multifaceted as to why we went to war with Iraq|

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LOL,

So what exactly is your point here with this thread??
Are you trying to suggest that the Bush admin. is making all of this up for political purposes? You don't believe that terrorist could indeed be plotting to do the same thing here in the USA as they did in Russia? I'm suprised it hasn't already happened actually. You aren't some kind of conspiracy nut are you?

I believe we are not getting a lot of reports on the situation in Aphganistan because that is a military matter and releasing intel on that could undermine current military ops. You think only americans watch CNN??!