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bokus
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Idaho falls, Idaho
I felt like a noob =(

Was at my buddy's house and he has a Craptastic mixer. Well they asked me to mix, and well I could get it close but it was shit plus Nurmark tt200's. But Im going off on the mixer here because, the bass sounded like light snares. So I guess my question is, should I start practicing on low end mixer's to be ready for this shit? or just keep using my 275 because nothing in a club should be lower then a 275?

Old Post Mar-05-2005 16:46  United States
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Soliman
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: cairo

well as a dj you should be abble to adapt to any kind of equipment that doesn't meen you should get a lower quality mixer concentrate more on track selections, beatmatching and transssions

Old Post Mar-08-2005 16:20  Egypt
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Backzlash
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Sweden

You should master raw beat matching first, this way you should be able to mix decently on any system or mixer. What I hear these days is DJ's relying far to much on draining the base on the mixer for the transition.

Old Post Mar-09-2005 12:44  Sweden
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Psiweaver
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Culver City United States

ya just focus on getting the beat matched in the cans and you'll be good to go.


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eyeball_2003
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Mysteryland

quote:
Originally posted by Backzlash
You should master raw beat matching first, this way you should be able to mix decently on any system or mixer. What I hear these days is DJ's relying far to much on draining the base on the mixer for the transition.


thats something i never do, i think if i have to cut out the bass then whats the point of beatmatching. anyone who does this is doing themsleves no favours at all.
peace

Old Post Mar-10-2005 12:13  United Kingdom
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Derivative
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Dublin

when im bringing tracks in ill have the bass completely cut. why? bass has the most presence in a song at high amplitudes. its nearly always the loudest element in any song and you can amp up bass frequency to insane levels and it wont destroy your ears. will make you feel a bit sick though. its always monophonic. its always centred. so it sounds like its everywhere. really i do not want that to come in suddenly at all. if i got kills ill use them. if not bass EQ rotary goes all the way down to 0. broadly most songs have a distinctive bass (kicks and bassline), mid range (vocals, leads) and treble (hihats) presence. i find its also easier to beatmatch with the bass rotary down since you only get the 'click' part of the kick drum in your phones and its very prominant and hard sounding. shit cans? shit mixer? send the bass all the way down and up the mid. beatmatch on the kick drum click. failing that do it on the snares/claps every 2nd and 4th beat.

when im bring a record in ill mix using the EQs. i dont fuck with the crossfader much. and i dont fuck with the channel faders unless its the tune coming in. i set the channel faders so that the loudest part of the track peaks at just under 0 dB then leave it there. sudden volume changes sound shit in club. also, bass frequency that is rapidly cut or introduced rapidly sounds shit. the cross fader stays in the centre with the channel fader of the track coming in, waaaay down at around -30 dB ish. bass is fully cut. mid range has a large cut on it too. treble is on! bring up the channel fader so the hihats are audible and you get a sense that something is coming in. just a skittering of hihats stacked on top of each other. you know somethings coming in. but you cant tell what it is (unless you are really good with your tunes keep em guessing on the floor). at the end of 2 phrases start bring the mid on the new tune in, so the most distinctive characteristic of the new track slowly becomes evident (at this point, people may be able to ID the tune and grins will start emerging all over the place if its good). whilst bringing the treble in the treble on the old tune out. you should complete 1 movement (4 phrases consisting of 4 bars each) at least before i bring the bass in. either slowly or i can drop it in faster over the course of 2 phrases or instantly with kills. if im gonna drop it in instantly id like to kill the other bassline or very quickly drop the bass on the outgoing track a notch or two then slowly tail it off.. keeps the anticipation there. its not fully in until that weight of bass slams home and you know you have to bop for another minute at 2 minutes before a break. bass is the last thing i bring in because leaving 2 records in the mix, both with substantial bass presence causes phasing errors which are audible. notice how sometimes a tune is pretty much beatmatched but the kicks change sound and appear to drift when they arent? destructive phasing sounds shit. and from production the idea of doubling up huge amounts of bass is just...wrong.

i tend to like seamless mixes aswell - ones where you cant tell where the old one finishes and the new one begins. a constant hypnotic stream of music. course im not good enough for it to be seamless. but i like to always bring something out as something else is going in. i think if mixing as giving yourself a minute or a minute and a half in a transition between songs where you can swap things about, have several elements from both tracks working together. then when the movement ends. whack the fader across. work on the next seamless transition.

i think its a fitting way of mixing psy and it really kind of keeps that trance ethos alive and well in your sets. not so big on the build. drop. build. drop kind of way of mixing.

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AudioGuru
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: Denver

I usually use the hat and snare(if available) as reference since their waveforms are shorter than a kick drum. Phase becomes prominent first in higher frequecies, so it's more acurate that way. As for bass not being able to make you deaf. It's not that bass won't make you deaf, it just that when you do start to go deaf, it starts by rolling off the high end. most people our age can't hear above 17k.

@95dB 8 hours = hearing damage
@105dB 4 hours
115dB 2 hours ect

I wear earplugs everytime I go to the club, you don't want to take chances.

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T-Soma
The Sky Was Pink...



Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Chair

It is in a thread here sumwhere just recent that their was something about a cure for that ringing in your ears forgot what it was called but starts with a t

Old Post Mar-11-2005 04:48  Australia
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Bass Camp
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Maryland

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It is in a thread here sumwhere just recent that their was something about a cure for that ringing in your ears forgot what it was called but starts with a t


Tinnutis

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colombian raver
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Downtown Miami

I've been beatmatching with highs recently and I find it much easier than doing it with lows.


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displaced
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: in traffic

quote:
Originally posted by colombian raver
I've been beatmatching with highs recently and I find it much easier than doing it with lows.


i don't find it easy at all. maybe i should try it some more to get the hang of it...


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AudioGuru
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: Denver

If you're used to a certain way, stick with it, although it's not bad to try other things. I have a friend that has only ever mixed in his headphones WITHOUT the two tracks split up. For me that's almost impossible I have to have them split either with a cue monitor, or between the two headphones.

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