I don't know if you guys notice, but back in 1999-2000 those were the years of trance. Back at that time, was when it was most underground in my opinion. There are many great sets showing the great quality of trance back then including the Paul Oakenfold 12 World Tour Essential Mixes, Tiesto Live @ Trance Energy 2000, etc. Now that it's getting more mainstream, the worse it's becoming, and I just hope it stays underground as long as it can...Do you think trance should stay underground or become mainstream???

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elitism has its benefits and drawbacks. im all for it staying underground, but at the same time, i wish there were more people i could openly discuss it with.

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lmao

it was more mainstreem then, not now

Oh dear.

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Trance hasnt been underground for years.

I don't necessarily wish trance would go underground, but Id like for people to quit seeing it as an oppurtunity to sustain themlves (make a career). While I love the fact that more and more people are getting involved, I feel like it is because they see the global success that artists like Tiesto, Armin and even Gabriel and Dresden have become and they want to attain this level of notoriety. I am not convinced that this leads to good or original music.

If people we more willing to see music as a side career, a hobby which the "trance scene" can benefit from, I think wed have better quality music, just perhaps less of it. The better it is, however, the more responsible fans the genre would attract, furthering the pool of potential artists. Technology has grown such that anyone can make professional quality sounds at home, and even a casual fan can now lay down a drum beat with the greatest of ease. Added with the internet and scads of free sites out there, any artist can share their music for free with the rest of the world.

Trance music, like every other genre of music has 'idol worship' of its most prominant names. This may be fitting. However the amount of money in trance music has caused labels to prop up undeserving names; DJs and producers who are more hype than skill, to receive this adoration. Mindless masses drone to the multimedia extravaganza of capitalism and quality is suffered at the expense of every extra buck. Not knowing any better, most new members to the EDM community go to the names they hear the most, which are often the most commerically successful. They fail to realize and dont care that these preformers spend more time massaging their image, identity, and egos then on improving the surrounding "scene" or their art in general.

Trance is so widely known that even midwestern American high schoolers know what it is. It is no milestone or hidden gem; it is well recognized throughout the public conciousness, though perhaps not totally revered or even understood. I just personally wish that, the genre and "vibe" that go along with the name 'trance' would realize that it has the potential to be so much more than just some pathetic commercial music genre.

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It fking annoys me when ppl call europop and other shit in that genre banging trance rofl.

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Originally posted by Project 7 it was more mainstreem then, not now

indeed

hmm binary finary, gouryella, carte blanche, the awakening, cafe del mar, airwave, out of the blue, love stimulation, seven cities, greece 2000 & a shitload more all got in the top 20 uk sales charts back then... don't think any have at all in this past year.


nice post btw tribu

I really think Trance should be more mainstream. I had talked about this in the thread dealing with PvD supposedly playing at the Fifa 2006 World Cup games. I think trance as a genre is more accessible and easier to listen to than more repetitious stuff like techno or the harder forms of dance music. Just like hip hop, you can listen to it or dance to it, or both. But unlike hip hop, trance doesn't have the same reputation (you never hear about DJs/Producers getting in trouble with the law). Trance is also much more beautiful, melodic and is produced much the same way hip hop is...on computers. A lot of the GOOD vocal trance and prog, to me, is quite worthy of radio play. I don't see why anyone would not like it. Obviously the stuff like DJ Sammy, Lasgo, and Ian Van Dahl have tried to come across like it's trance, when it's just euro-pop/euro-dance. What needs to be mainstream is trance that isn't trying to sound mainstream. What I mean by this is that what should be played is the same songs and artists that we listen to.

Who defines what is mainstream and what isnt is an important part of the equation. You may not see Paul Van Dyk, for instance, as catering to a mainstream, but someone else may say that he is.

There is definitely a mainstream trance conglomerate. If I had to put a face on it, Id say that Tiesto, Ferry, PVD, Armin, AnjunaBeats, Gabriel and Dresden, Markus Schulz and others are a huge part of it. I offer this example when mainstream is the equivilant of: 'listened to by the majority of people who prefer the genre'. They appeal to a certain sound of 'trance' which is what they and other's have established as the identity of the genre. Most people who identify themselves as trance listeners would agree to admiration of the abilities of one of these artists. This is mainstream to me.

If by mainstream you mean American pop culture, then no, these names aren't the most popular. Bu neither are Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, and others you have named. This makes these artists somewhat equal to people of a much different perspective then youll find on this board; generally, that they are all the same. Yet, I find it hard to argue that point. Most of these artists appear to be catering to an audience with a specific sound. Thi makes them mainstream in my opinion. Theres nothing inherently wrong with that, but many mainstream artists have not been incredibly impressive when it comes to seperating consistancy and repetition; if a past formula works, they stick with it in order to continue their livelihood. This is where mainstreams problems begin, in my opinion.

I agree with you Tribu. These artists like Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo are "mainstream" but they don't truly represent the style of music we like. I mean there is so much GOOD trance and prog out there that should and could be more mainstream, especially in America. I'm aware that this music in Europe does get more attention than here. I certaintly feel that some PvD, some Tiesto stuff, some Ferry Corsten, some Armin, Andain (your have to agree that Beautiful Things has pop-sensibilities), as well as Above & Beyond/Oceanlab, is accessible enough for the mainstream. These artists make music that is truer to the base and is better quality stuff than Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, etc, yet still it still has pop-sensibilities (meaning it could have broader appeal). Now the instrumental stuff that we all love as well might not go over well, as the vast majority of stuff that is considered mainstream, especially in America, is vocal-based. This is the only problem, however I wish more people liked instrumental music (as was more popular in the past with classical music), but that is not where pop-culture has gone. Hopefully someday more people will appreciate it....

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