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djpaulc
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Dublin

Why EDM will NEVER break america...imo!

After reading the post about Tiesto in America i decided to set up a similar post. I don't mean to generalise or offend anyone in here but from the media we get over here about america and its teenage music buying public, most of these teenagers seem like tossers.

From all of the american shows on MTV, VH1 etc. I have never ever seen a nation dominated by such an annoying bunch of style and image obsessed teenagers. I don't know whether the american teenage public are actually like this but from what i have seen, there are 3 main groups of teenager in america - the 'home-boy' type for the lads, the 'oh my god' type for the girls and then the goths. They are all caught up in an image obsessed nation and feel that they have to be the same as everyone else.

Firstly for the boys, they all seem to have the 'I'm a rapper' metality. Its grand that black culture i dominated by this but white culture as well?! White teenagers talking like they are all from the bronx saying things like 'Holla', 'Its your boy' etc...etc...et-fucking-cetra!! Using their hands to help explain what they are saying, as if they were rapping! Using lingo such as 'rims', 'hoes' and 'bling bling'. In one way, it shows the dominance of rap and r'n'b in todays world but seriously, it is getting out of hand.

For the girlies, it seems to be either the rap lingo or the 'oh my god' style. I can only pressume the 'oh my god' style has come from the pop culture i.e Britney, Christina etc, such programmes as 'Friends' and films like 'Clueless'(ironically titled), where they constantly put the word 'like' between every word. They dress like their fav pop star, dye their hair like them and their is actually a programme over here where some of them actually pay thousands on surgery to be a replica of them!!

These 2 stereotypes together with the goths is the very reason why EDM will never, ever, ever become mainstream. There is no EDM lingo for them to talk, no EDM style clothes for them to wear and thankfully no general EDM image for them to imatate.

Most of the americans who i have ever met haven't been like this but it is still the way that teenage america is portayed over here, so imo EDM will never take off there. Is it actual like this and do any of u think that EDM can take off over there?

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Nov-20-2005 21:25 Ireland

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miamitranceman
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While I don't think it's as cookie-cutter as you describe it, I do think that EDM has an uphill battle over here. It's getting better though, especially in the big cities. (NY, MIA, LA) That's where the potential lies.

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Nov-20-2005 21:31 United States

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Spartan
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Registered: Feb 2004
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haha, thats a way too extreme definition^

your description fits 13 year old girls and guys, but beyond that most American youth isn't obsessed with MTV/VH1.

that said however, media does play a huge role in music over here, and it is def. more catered to the superstar performer than in Europe.

I think EDM is having such a hard time fitting in just b/c our club scene isn't as developed or popular with kids under 25 as it is in Europe.

Nov-20-2005 21:38 United States

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allcentury18
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teenagers are the only age bracket where the most money they spend is on fashion & music. this is why the media targets them.

college kids do NOT spend money on music.

teenages and single people over 45 are fashion and music's richest target market.

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Nov-20-2005 21:38 England

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Spartan
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oh yah and Goths?!?! haha, i don't know what image you have of American's but I haven't seen a goth in a really long time, and they're def. not one of three types of music listeners

Nov-20-2005 21:39 United States

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umm...

i think miami's EDM scene has gotten pretty good. Especially this year. Let's face it.. those ghetto kids you are talking about can't be ghetto forever. Unless they end up in jail or something along those lines. You can't be a succesfull business person/adult talking and even dressing like that. They just haven't figured that out.

and who really cares ? I'd rather keep EDM underground.

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Soeder
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i think it's because of the Patriotism. USA will never accept a style they didn't "invent" themself.
It's just like european soccer, the most popular sport in most countries except USA.

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Nov-20-2005 21:50 Norway

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Numidia
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As someone who lives in a country with an extremely high diffusion of American culture I can tell you your analysis is off. For one, you're neglecting hundreds of other cliques that teenagers could potentially belong to. You can't accurately try to break down american culture just from watching their television. I'm not personally going to claim to know the reasons why EDM isn't big on this continent, I don't think anyone could claim to know for certain. Having said that, I think we can all agree it has to do in part with the steretypes associated with dance music: "repetitiveness", rampant drug use, etc... These sorts of things turn people away from this music before they can even allow themselves to give it a chance.

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Kapedano
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quote:
Originally posted by MeLLyMeL

and who really cares ? I'd rather keep EDM underground.

Agreed on that. I think that EDM should stay underground and especially trance. I dont want EDM to become to popular, because then producers will more focus on making catchy song that most of listeners want to listen. When that happends then we are screwd.

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Nov-20-2005 21:52 Albania

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Nov-20-2005 21:53 Albania

Soeder
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quote:
Originally posted by Numidia
I think we can all agree it has to do in part with the steretypes associated with dance music: "repetitiveness", rampant drug use, etc... These sorts of things turn people away from this music before they can even allow themselves to give it a chance.

Like Rap isn't assosiated with drugs???

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Nov-20-2005 21:54 Norway

stevieboy32808
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quote:
Originally posted by Soeder
i think it's because of the Patriotism. USA will never accept a style they didn't "invent" themself.
It's just like european soccer, the most popular sport in most countries except USA.

We did invent it. But Europeans polished the sound and made it way better. After a brief flirtation the U.S. unfortunately abandoned it in favor of other music that made more money. Damn capitalism.

Oh and soccer is THE most popular sport in the world, and not in some countries as you put it.