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The War Strategy

Thought this was a good article. Clear, concise, to the point.

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Yes, Virginia, the U.S. Has a War Strategy
December 6, 2005; Page A21

One of the most remarkable assertions of the anti-Bush, antiwar choristers is that the U.S. has no "strategy for victory." One wonders where they have been these last four years. The strategy's goal has been clear since September 11, 2001: To defeat the jihadists who made it abundantly evident on that bright morning in New York that they are waging war on the U.S.

The U.S. method has been spelled out repeatedly as well: Attack the jihadists on their own ground and replace their protectors with democratic governments that share U.S. values. This has been defined as the "Bush doctrine." In November's 60th-anniversary issue of Commentary, no fewer than 36 leading scholars debated it, a rather strong suggestion that such a doctrine exists. Admittedly, they were mostly friendly "neocons," but who else these days has anything interesting to say about foreign policy?

The Bush critics aren't dense. They know full well what the Bush doctrine is all about. They know as well that it has had some rather impressive results, forcing the leaders of al Qaeda out of their base in Afghanistan and beginning the process of turning that war-stricken country into a state where an elected government backed by NATO forces provides a higher degree of personal security than Afghans have enjoyed in decades.

The invasion of Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction, although "Bush-lied" canards have confused this issue as well. It was also about establishing a U.S. war-fighting beachhead in the heart of the Middle East, the principal breeding ground of terrorists. The invasion took out one terrorism sponsor, Saddam Hussein, and gave the U.S. a presence for intimidating two others, Iran and Syria.

The claim that Saddam had no connections with al Qaeda -- because Arab socialism and Islamic zealotry don't mix -- came from CIA analysts with an unhappy record of inaccurate perceptions. There are in fact plenty of circumstantial links, but even if Saddam wasn't doing al Qaeda's bidding, he certainly sponsored Mideast terrorism.

To counter the latest "no-strategy" claims, the White House was forced to explain it all again last week. Mr. Bush did so in a speech to naval cadets at Annapolis and the White House put up a long document on its Web site detailing the seven pillars of a policy fleshed out as long ago as 2003.

Press sophisticates complained that there was nothing new. Of course not. The strategy has been there all along. It was endorsed by both parties and dates back, in rudimentary fashion, to the Clinton years. Serious Democrats like Sen. Joe Lieberman know that it would be a grave error to abandon it at this point, a point he made in this newspaper last week.

The document on the White House Web site details a U.S. government doctrine designed and implemented by the commander in chief and approved by the Congress. It is the core of U.S. foreign policy and even though it is not "new," the greater detail makes the document worth reading by anyone with a serious interest in understanding what is going on and what is at stake. Cynics might scoff that it is White House "propaganda," which of course it is in the broadest sense of that word, but it is also an effort to explain to Americans why winning in Iraq is of vital importance to them.

That such an explanation should be necessary at this point derives from a number of factors. The American political debate has become intensely polarized as the Democrats and their allies in the press and academia have become increasingly anxious about their chances of regaining political power. This is manifested in something approaching hatred for George W. Bush. Because of the president's domestic failures, particularly his loss of popularity on the right through his failure to control government expansionism, the Democrats sense weakness.

There are also signs of public weariness with the war. The "War on Terror" has dragged on longer than America's involvement in World War II, although of course with infinitely fewer casualties. The Bush critics detect impatience in the electorate, hence their calls for setting a specific date when the U.S. will withdraw its troops from Iraq -- a move that would clearly be an enormous mistake, giving Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his murderous gang an incentive to continue their campaign of bombings and mutilation.

The Department of Homeland Security is proud of the fact that there hasn't been a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, and that is indeed something to be thankful for. But it has perhaps given Americans a false sense of security that erodes the shock of the 9/11 atrocity and leads to a belief that the "War on Terror" is not as serious as it was first made out to be. One problem is the abstract description. It is not a war on terror, but a defensive struggle against ruthless fanatics who have dedicated their lives to the destruction of Western civilization. They dream of an Islamic "caliphate" stretching from the Far East to the coast of Spain, ruled over by the equivalent of Iran's ayatollahs with an equal disdain for human freedom and dignity.

Finally, there may be a legitimate anxiety that the administration has underestimated the enemy. Nowhere is the antipathy toward America and the West more clearly manifested than in Iran. The mullahs are hell-bent on developing a nuclear weapon with which to threaten their neighbors. Getting Iraq under control is urgent because of what may be the next threat in the Middle East.

Mr. Bush made it clear at the outset that this war would be a long one -- 30 years in the view of some analysts. It is being fought in the shadows on many fronts. It depends heavily on the gathering of intelligence on where the enemy is and what he is up to, something that the CIA is finally beginning to take seriously through the deployment of more secret agents. But the strategy couldn't be clearer: Defeat the fanatics and tyrants by promoting freedom and democracy. The strategy is in fact working, believe it or not.

Write to George Melloan at [email protected]

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As scary as some people make Bush to be, I personally find the Islamo-fascist fanatics scarier.
At least we know for the most part what Bush and Co. is up to.
He's at least accountable to someone. The anti-Bush squawkers would say otherwise, however the built in democratic process of a simple vote answers their call.

I'll never forget the uncertainty and horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach the day of 9/11 and I was in Toronto!
What the hell are they going to hit in Toronto???
That may sound stupid but that's the whole point I guess, the psyche of terror lives in the unknown.
The only way to overcome fear is action and in that, I am thankful action was taken albeit overdue and in the shadow of many lost lives before and after the catalyst of 9/11.


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This is a good article? I'm sorry but it basically recycles the vague supposed "pros" of going to war in Iraq without addressing any of the specifics that its opponents raise. The best he can do is concoct ad-hominem attacks against CIA evidence without attacking the evidence and analysis itself? Is he really attempting to lump together Iraqi geo-political policy towards Israel as a synonymous threat towards the US? Do you really believe that Shakka or Fir3start3r? If so, should the US have been at war against itself for supporting Afghani terrorism against the Soviets in the 70's, or for supporting South American terror groups that overthrew legitimate governments in the 80's? Does this author really think that I'm so much an infantile that I can be easily seduced by oversimplifying complex political situations with buzz words and thus mischaracterizing what actually consitutes legitimate threats to the United States? Do YOU think it's that simple? Do Iraqi hostilities towards its own ethnic population and the Israelis constitute threats to the United States? If so, than by all means you're going to have to explain Republican opposition to the Balkan War.

Furthermore it lauds the "circumstancial" evidence that we're supposed to believe presents a convincing case for links to Al-Qaeda. The same circumstancial evidence that was used to justify the existence of WMDs that we now know to be false. Is this guy really serious???

Look, let's do a simple cost-benefit analysis here. Do you believe that the benefits of going to war in Iraq outweigh the costs? We'll go by this douche-bag's pros and cons: his pros are that Iraq is no longer a state sponsor to Israeli terrorism and that we're "intimidating" Syria and Iran (right ... Iran looks REALLY intimidated ). The cons are, well difficult to say at this point. From a quantitative standpoint we've been at war for 2.5 years at a cost of $225 billion and some 2,100 dead. I won't even try to extrapolate that out to 30 years as this author suggests. I won't even try to guess at corrolary effects such as anti-US resentment and growing Al-Qaeda support that this war has encouraged. This war isn't consolidating radicalism in one place, it's causing a sharp growth in radicalism. But hey, tell me honestly, is this war worth the costs?


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This is a good article?


yep.

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Originally posted by Shakka
yep.


Well I'm convinced. Strangely it answers all of my questions while addressing none of them. How fulfilling.


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Well I'm convinced. Strangely it answers all of my questions while addressing none of them. How fulfilling.


Well, since you've stated you have no plans to ever have any offspring, I can see why you might not think there is any value to the strategy. I happen to feel differently. While the war has certainly created more heightened tensions and some increased radicalism in the near-term (don't all wars and conflicts to a great extent?), I am a true believer in the long-term benefits that I believe will be achieved by finally addressing this 30+ year old issue head on.

Again, the article is clear and concise. It states the goals of the "Bush Doctrine", the expected results, and outlines how those results are expected to be achieved. Our job is to not lose our will and to see the mission through or else it truly will be a failure.

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Originally posted by Shakka
Well, since you've stated you have no plans to ever have any offspring, I can see why you might not think there is any value to the strategy. I happen to feel differently. While the war has certainly created more heightened tensions and some increased radicalism in the near-term (don't all wars and conflicts to a great extent?), I am a true believer in the long-term benefits that I believe will be achieved by finally addressing this 30+ year old issue head on.

Again, the article is clear and concise. It states the goals of the "Bush Doctrine", the expected results, and outlines how those results are expected to be achieved. Our job is to not lose our will and to see the mission through or else it truly will be a failure.


I take plenty of value in strategy. After all I am paying for this war and my fellow americans are dying. I just didn't see much strategy there other than really to "win". Yes I saw the attack Al-Qaeda on the homegrown message, but Iraq doesn't really fit that bill does it? Also none of my questions were answered either. Do you take much value in answering questions?


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Do you believe the value of going to war in 1941 was worth the cost? Eerie question considering what day it is.

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Yes. Did Saddam Hussein plan or fund 9/11?


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Yes. Did Saddam Hussein plan or fund 9/11?


Did I say he did? Did Germany plan or fund Pearl Harbor?

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Did I say he did? Did Germany plan or fund Pearl Harbor?


Ok. So are you saying that the threats posed by Saddam Hussein are analagous to the threats posed by Hitler? What kind of correlation should we draw between 1941 and 2003?


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What I was really getting at was you saying it wasn't worth the cost, human or financial. I say that has yet to be determined, and it will probably take many years to really be able to make a confident conclusion. But in any event, human casualties in WWII far outweighed the human losses that we've seen so far in the current war (as articulated by the writer). As far as the financials go, you have a good grip on that department, so figure out the inflation since then and we should have a good apples to apples comparison. I'd say the current one is probably more financially costly if for no other reason than for the fact that our weapons systems are so much more advanced technologically. Energy costs are certainly a lot higher now too.

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