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Originally posted by Jayx1 My solution: If you get hit by a car while Jwalking it should be automatically the pedestrian's fault except in cases of wreckless driving or impaired driving. If you get hit at a crosswalk or intersection while you have the right of way it should be automatically the driver's fault. You would think the prospect of getting smooshed by 2 tonnes of rolling steel would be incentive enough to be cautious. But it's not!

Absolutely.

If you cross when you should -- YOUR FAULT! Now dont go trying to sue the fucking driver saying he had the onus to watch out for you! You had RED LIGHT/DONT WALK SIGN! Onus is on you!

If you J-walk when ur not supposed to and get hit and try to sue the driver I think thats fucking BULLSHIT.

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i agree with u jay, it shouldn't be illegal if you've made a good judgement call and its completley safe.

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You would think the prospect of getting smooshed by 2 tonnes of rolling steel would be incentive enough to be cautious.

apparently the more weight the less concern. im shocked at how many people look me right in my eyes when driving a bus and then walk right in front when im moving pretty quick. maybe its a perception thing..... "the bus is slow, i can get past" but the problem is i cant stop in time if u stop right in front because you got delayed by another car.

I got a ticket for idling my car 2 weeks ago.
Funny thing is, I thought I'd get a parking ticket for being too close to the curb or blocking a hydrant when I ran into the bank. The cop never mentioned what he was gonna write a ticket for. He had me pull up, and as always, they take 10 mins to write the damn ticket. When he came back, he tells me he's ticketing me for idling, 'as you're doing right now'. You know, if it were so damn important that I not idle, you'd think he'd tell me to turn the car off in the 1st place while he writes the ticket!!!!

Off to court we go....

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Pedestrians should always have the right of way.

Car vs. Person = death.

(This is not excusing the idiots who expect cars to stop, but drivers need less road rage).

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I still remember the tour guides first instructions when I took a class trip to Quebec City: "This isn't Toronto. If you see a car, don't step onto the road."
It seems that Toronto is singular in the boldness of its pedestrians.

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Originally posted by muzzybear Pedestrians should always have the right of way. Car vs. Person = death. (This is not excusing the idiots who expect cars to stop, but drivers need less road rage).

Wrong

If a pedestrian steps out into a roadway when he shouldnt, his right of way should be waived. Roads are for cars, Sidewalks are for people. There are places designed to accomodate where those two places meet. If you decide not to use those places (crosswalks) then you do so at your own risk.

Id love to see a toronto pedestrian in europe, asia or south america. He wouldnt last 5 minutes if he had the same attitude towards cars as most people here do.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Wrong If a pedestrian steps out into a roadway when he shouldnt, his right of way should be waived. Roads are for cars, Sidewalks are for people. There are places designed to accomodate where those two places meet. If you decide not to use those places (crosswalks) then you do so at your own risk. Id love to see a toronto pedestrian in europe, asia or south america. He wouldnt last 5 minutes if he had the same attitude towards cars as most people here do.

And in parking lots?

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Originally posted by muzzybear And in parking lots?

dont even get me started about parking lots!!

Another scenario where people just waltz along as if cars dont matter. Meanwhile, even most parking lots have crosswalks and driveways.

Needless to say while driving in toronto i use my horn quite often.

BTW im always a curteous pedestrian. When i cross i wait for cars to pass if i am j-walking. And sometimes cars will even stop to let you cross. If i am at a crosswalk i still dont assume cars will see me so i keep a look out to make sure no one is coming.

When i am driving and conditions allow (ie heavy traffic), ill usually let a pedestrian cross if he is waiting. If he just starts walking and forces me to stop he gets the horn treatment.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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^^^^^^^^^^ totally agree... in a'dam... you'd be hit by a bike long before you'd even come close to bothering people driving cars...

also thats why in MTL you can't turn right on red... cause on the island of MTL in the case of a car hitting a pedestrian, barring extreme circumstances, the fault is placed on the pedestrian....

the worst are the jwalkers that cross like 10 feet from the cross walk/intersection... thats just lazy....

lex

damn... they're issuing tickets now?

I J-Walked right in front of a parked cop car (i didnt notice it was there) the other day lol
but there were no moving cars on the road, so i guess thats why he didn't do anything.

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Originally posted by lexclu also thats why in MTL you can't turn right on red... cause on the island of MTL in the case of a car hitting a pedestrian, barring extreme circumstances, the fault is placed on the pedestrian.... lex

thats exactly how it is in most juridictions in the world. and pedestrians are therefor respectful of cars. I just find it unbelievable how people here have no regard for their own safety and just waltz out into traffic expecting everyone to stop for their royal highnesses. And then have the gall to flip the bird when someone gets upset.

Another interesting anecdote. The people who seem to be most guilty of blatant disregard when it comes to jwalking are white women between 15-40. White men seem to be the second highest demographic. Rarely do you see non white people pulling this stunt. I have always presumed that this is because they are probably immigrants and grew up in a place where they knew better than to pull that. And older white people actually grew up in a time when common sense prevailed.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill