http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Eugene_Curtis

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 November is only a a few weeks off and the last thing Republicans want to see is either house returned to Democrat control. Because if that happens, hearings happen. And if hearings happen... well, who knows - someone(s) could go to jail.

but i thought the only way the Dimocrats could win was if they rigged the election?

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf
Government Accountability Office report confirms key 2004 stolen
election findings.

The GAO documentation flows alongside other crucial realities
surrounding the 2004 vote count. For example:

# The exit polls showed Kerry winning in Ohio, until an unexplained last
minute shift gave the election to Bush. Similar definitive shifts also
occurred in Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico, a virtual statistical
impossibility.

# A few weeks prior to the election, an unauthorized former ES&S voting
machine company employee, was caught on the ballot-making machine in
Auglaize County

# Election officials in Mahoning County now concede that at least 18
machines visibly transferred votes for Kerry to Bush. Voters who pushed
Kerry's name saw Bush's name light up, again and again, all day long.
Officials claim the problems were quickly solved, but sworn statements
and affidavits say otherwise. They confirm similar problems in Franklin
County (Columbus). Kerry's margins in both counties were suspiciously
low.

# A voting machine in Mahoning County recorded a negative 25 million
votes for Kerry. The problem was allegedly fixed.

# In Gahanna Ward 1B, at a fundamentalist church, a so-called
"electronic transfer glitch" gave Bush nearly 4000 extra votes when only
638 people voted at that polling place. The tally was allegedly
corrected, but remains infamous as the "loaves and fishes" vote count.

# In Franklin County, dozens of voters swore under oath that their vote
for Kerry faded away on the DRE without a paper trail.

# In Miami County, at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's
central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes
mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as
prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility.

# In Cleveland, large, entirely implausible vote totals turned up for
obscure third party candidates in traditional Democratic
African-American wards. Vote counts in neighboring wards showed
virtually no votes for those candidates, with 90% going instead for
Kerry.

# Prior to one of Blackwell's illegitimate "show recounts," technicians
from Triad voting machine company showed up unannounced at the Hocking
County Board of Elections and removed the computer hard drive.

# In response to official information requests, Shelby and other
counties admit to having discarded key records and equipment before any
recount could take place.

# In a conference call with Rev. Jackson, Attorney Cliff Arnebeck,
Attorney Bob Fitrakis and others, John Kerry confirmed that he lost
every precinct in New Mexico that had a touchscreen voting machine. The
losses had no correlation with ethnicity, social class or traditional
party affiliation---only with the fact that touchscreen machines were
used.

# In a public letter, Rep. Conyers has stated that "by and large, when
it comes to a voting machine, the average voter is getting a lemon - the
Ford Pinto of voting technology. We must demand better."

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Originally posted by Dale Gribble The GAO documentation flows alongside other crucial realities surrounding the 2004 vote count. For example: # The exit polls showed Kerry winning in Ohio, until an unexplained last minute shift gave the election to Bush. Similar definitive shifts also occurred in Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico, a virtual statistical impossibility. # A few weeks prior to the election, an unauthorized former ES&S voting machine company employee, was caught on the ballot-making machine in Auglaize County # Election officials in Mahoning County now concede that at least 18 machines visibly transferred votes for Kerry to Bush. Voters who pushed Kerry's name saw Bush's name light up, again and again, all day long. Officials claim the problems were quickly solved, but sworn statements and affidavits say otherwise. They confirm similar problems in Franklin County (Columbus). Kerry's margins in both counties were suspiciously low. # A voting machine in Mahoning County recorded a negative 25 million votes for Kerry. The problem was allegedly fixed. # In Gahanna Ward 1B, at a fundamentalist church, a so-called "electronic transfer glitch" gave Bush nearly 4000 extra votes when only 638 people voted at that polling place. The tally was allegedly corrected, but remains infamous as the "loaves and fishes" vote count. # In Franklin County, dozens of voters swore under oath that their vote for Kerry faded away on the DRE without a paper trail. # In Miami County, at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility. # In Cleveland, large, entirely implausible vote totals turned up for obscure third party candidates in traditional Democratic African-American wards. Vote counts in neighboring wards showed virtually no votes for those candidates, with 90% going instead for Kerry. # Prior to one of Blackwell's illegitimate "show recounts," technicians from Triad voting machine company showed up unannounced at the Hocking County Board of Elections and removed the computer hard drive. # In response to official information requests, Shelby and other counties admit to having discarded key records and equipment before any recount could take place. # In a conference call with Rev. Jackson, Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney Bob Fitrakis and others, John Kerry confirmed that he lost every precinct in New Mexico that had a touchscreen voting machine. The losses had no correlation with ethnicity, social class or traditional party affiliation---only with the fact that touchscreen machines were used. # In a public letter, Rep. Conyers has stated that "by and large, when it comes to a voting machine, the average voter is getting a lemon - the Ford Pinto of voting technology. We must demand better."

why don't you tell everybody where you got this from.

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Originally posted by Q5echo why don't you tell everybody where you got this from.

That is how it came to me via email, if you have the link please post it, may have come from :
http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/
or
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
but I can't find it @ this time on those 2 sites. I do have plenty of .pdf links re; this subject.


http://www.house.gov/science/hearin...n24/coggins.pdf

http://www.electionline.org/Portals...nty.OH.2004.pdf

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf

http://www.indygov.org/NR/rdonlyres...5anfuxbgj3zgpkv
557moi3rb6f3ne44mcni2thdvoywyjcigyeoykwru53mopaa6kt2uxh7ofe/2004
0422.pdf

http://www.miamidadeig.org/reports/...al%20report.pdf

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/task...port_entire.pdf

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/ks_dre_papers/
diebold_report_april20_final.pdf

http://www.house.gov/science/hearin...un24/shamos.pdf

http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v00...s/ohvrireport/s
ection07.pdf

http://www.vote.caltech.edu/media/documents/EAC.pdf
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Saw this in the paper:
http://www.news-journalonline.com/N...01POL082906.htm
Poll worker fired over touch-screen voting comment
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Volusia County Supervisor of Elections Ann McFall has fired 76-year-old Drusilla Synal, a poll worker for more than a decade, for opposing the use of the touch-screen machines as she cast her ballot during an early voting session Aug. 23 at the city's library.

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Posted on Sat, Oct. 28, 2006 ELECTIONS Glitches cited in early voting: Early voters are urged to cast their ballots with care following scattered reports of problems with heavily used machines. BY CHARLES RABIN AND DARRAN SIMON After a week of early voting, a handful of glitches with electronic voting machines have drawn the ire of voters, reassurances from elections supervisors -- and a caution against the careless casting of ballots. Several South Florida voters say the choices they touched on the electronic screens were not the ones that appeared on the review screen -- the final voting step. Election officials say they aren't aware of any serious voting issues. But in Broward County, for example, they don't know how widespread the machine problems are because there's no process for poll workers to quickly report minor issues and no central database of machine problems. In Miami-Dade, incidents are logged and reported daily and recorded in a central database. Problem machines are shut down. ''In the past, Miami-Dade County would send someone to correct the machine on site,'' said Lester Sola, county supervisor of elections. Now, he said, ``We close the machine down and put a seal on it.'' Debra A. Reed voted with her boss on Wednesday at African-American Research Library and Cultural Center near Fort Lauderdale. Her vote went smoothly, but boss Gary Rudolf called her over to look at what was happening on his machine. He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist. That's exactly the kind of problem that sends conspiracy theorists into high gear -- especially in South Florida, where a history of problems at the polls have made voters particularly skittish. A poll worker then helped Rudolf, but it took three tries to get it right, Reed said. ''I'm shocked because I really want . . . to trust that the issues with irregularities with voting machines have been resolved,'' said Reed, a paralegal. ``It worries me because the races are so close.'' Broward Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it's not uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to recalibrate them on the spot -- essentially, to realign the video screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in the poll-workers manual. ''It is resolved right there at the early-voting site,'' Cooney said. Broward poll workers keep a log of all maintenance done on machines at each site. But the Supervisor of Elections office doesn't see that log until the early voting period ends. And a machine isn't taken out of service unless the poll clerk decides it's a chronic poor performer that can't be fixed. Cooney said no machines have been removed during early voting, and she is not aware of any serious problems. In Miami-Dade, two machines have been taken out of service during early voting. No votes were lost, Sola said. Joan Marek, 60, a Democrat from Hollywood, was also stunned to see Charlie Crist on her ballot review page after voting on Thursday. ''Am I on the voting screen again?'' she wondered. ``Well, this is too weird.'' Marek corrected her ballot and alerted poll workers at the Hollywood satellite courthouse, who she said told her they'd had previous problems with the same machine. Poll workers did some work on her machine when she finished voting, Marek said. But no report was made to the Supervisor of Elections office and the machine was not removed, Cooney said. Workers at the Hollywood poll said there had been no voting problems on Friday. Mauricio Raponi wanted to vote for Democrats across the board at the Lemon City Library in Miami on Thursday. But each time he hit the button next to the candidate, the Republican choice showed up. Raponi, 53, persevered until the machine worked. Then he alerted a poll worker. Miami Herald staff writer Linda Topping Streitfeld contributed to this report. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...ty/15869924.htm

Sadly, it's not surprising. Can you imagine the recalls if these problems persisted with normal technology?

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I don't like electronic voting. You can easily tamper with the machine by adding or taking away as many votes as you like without anybody noticing and the bugs on this thing is laughable. Sure it's a faster way to tally up the votes in a matter of a second, but I prefer the paper method where neutral supervisors check to see if the vote counters are doing their job.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I don't like electronic voting. You can easily tamper with the machine by adding or taking away as many votes as you like without anybody noticing and the bugs on this thing is laughable. Sure it's a faster way to tally up the votes in a matter of a second, but I prefer the paper method where neutral supervisors check to see if the vote counters are doing their job.

+1

Doesn't hand-counting expose numerous other potential problems in vote tallying? What is the point of developing better, more efficient technology if we're afraid to use it? Does someone have a better solution? Isn't this argument really only relevant in razor-thin margin races, if even? Who's to say a "neutral" supervisor is actually neutral? Just b/c they say so we should take them on their word? Nobody trusts anyone in this country and we're supposed to trust a bunch of old "neutral" codgers just because they say so? As if they don't have an opinion on any and everything just like the rest of us. I'll open up the floor to suggestions.

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Originally posted by Shakka Doesn't hand-counting expose numerous other potential problems in vote tallying? What is the point of developing better, more efficient technology if we're afraid to use it? Does someone have a better solution? Isn't this argument really only relevant in razor-thin margin races, if even? Who's to say a "neutral" supervisor is actually neutral? Just b/c they say so we should take them on their word? Nobody trusts anyone in this country and we're supposed to trust a bunch of old "neutral" codgers just because they say so? As if they don't have an opinion on any and everything just like the rest of us. I'll open up the floor to suggestions.

There are plenty of solutions which provides a middle ground. Ie something, that somehow leaves a paper trail that can be used for recounts if there are any disputes over electronic voting (so you get best of both worlds, fast counting and security in case the fast counting is wrong and/or rigged)

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Originally posted by St_Andrew There are plenty of solutions which provides a middle ground. Ie something, that somehow leaves a paper trail that can be used for recounts if there are any disputes over electronic voting (so you get best of both worlds, fast counting and security in case the fast counting is wrong and/or rigged)

But the Republicans are such environmentalists that I'm sure that they just don't want to kill trees.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul