will they fly?

>UNITED NATIONS (AFP)<
Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas told the UN General Assembly that any new Palestinian government would recognise Israel


this would be huge if it weren't for Hamas. but lets dig for more hope.

Hamas can't afford not to recognise Israel (pun intended)

I hope it is true though

Lets wait until this unity government is formed and follows through before we break open the champagne.

well that didn't take long. thats a real shame.

this is Hamas' version of Officer Barbrady on SouthPark: "Okay, move along people. nothing to see here"

>Hamas Rejects Palestinian Unity Government Plan Requiring Israel Recognition<

back to your regularly scheduled programming.

fucking typical. when are these people going to learn?

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What to do with Hamas then? It seems they are the ones with the power in terms of being able to resolve everything or not. If only they would agree.

it's obvious what they want. they want war. ceaseless, blood-spattered, horrific, violent war...but on their terms as to not let on how morally and politically bankrupt there pretence is.

this is beyond the deceitful victim mentality we are all used to and some apologize for.

f**king animals.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's obvious what they want. they want war. ceaseless, blood-spattered, horrific, violent war...but on their terms as to not let on how morally and politically bankrupt there pretence is. this is beyond the deceitful victim mentality we are all used to and some apologize for. f**king animals.

Didn't Bush call himself the War President?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fucking typical. when are these people going to learn?

I'll bet you anything you wouldn't be saying that if you're homeland was invaded and occupied by foreigners from another continent.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'll bet you anything you wouldn't be saying that if you're homeland was invaded and occupied by foreigners from another continent.

be that as it may mate, the simple fact is that israel isnt going anywhere and the only path to peace in this part of the middle east is if the right for israel to exist is acknowledged.

do you seriously want more war? coz thats the only thing hamas is going to achieve here. dont know about you, but more palestinian deaths doesnt please me very much.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN be that as it may mate, the simple fact is that israel isnt going anywhere and the only path to peace in this part of the middle east is if the right for israel to exist is acknowledged.

That's more of a path to accepting defeat and domination. This entire situation was premeditated and now there plently of documentation to prove that, including many writing from the fathers of Zionism. The only reason why "Israel" isn't going anywhere fast is due to Western support (mainly US now). No people, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, would accept brutal domination, humiliation, and forced removal from their ancestral homeland. I don't see any reason why any person with the slightest shred of morality (who doesn't have double standards), compassion, and respect for their fellow man should just "accept it" now because it's status quo . It's this kind of attitude and cowardly submission to power that will NEVER allow peace EVER, and it makes me sick. I know for a fact that no one in the same circumstances would act any differently or spout this kind of defeatist pacifist bullshit. Why should an illegitimately created state, consiously premeditated brutal plan of theft and domination, be respected or acknowledged as legitimate? Or do you only value fundamental principles, ethics, and morality (intelligible to anybody) when they not an inconvenience for you?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN do you seriously want more war? coz thats the only thing hamas is going to achieve here. dont know about you, but more palestinian deaths doesnt please me very much.

No, I don't. At the same time, I don't want to see the gradual annihilation of a people eigther. Neigther do I want to see the artificial creation of another Western supported state through the use of brutal domination and coercion. If we can't even rise to the most basic level of morality, all this talk about peace is nothing more than hot air. Looks like history hasn't taught us anything.

Good day sir, and have fun supporting tyranny.

EDIT: You cannot expect peace from an utter disregard for others and denial of their basic human rights. Simoultaneously, you can't expect acts of extreme indiscriminatory brutal violence to not occur from atleast some of a population that's been suject to such monstrous and humiliating domination and brutality.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's obvious what they want. they want war. ceaseless, blood-spattered, horrific, violent war...but on their terms as to not let on how morally and politically bankrupt there pretence is. this is beyond the deceitful victim mentality we are all used to and some apologize for. f**king animals.

That's a pretty appropriate decription for a neo-con. But your indoctrination doesn't allow you to see that, even though deep down you're probably a good person who shares the same fundamental principles and values as the rest of humanity, which is the saddest part.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller