I think Western society ,and the world, are modeled of Kant's way of philosophy. As in what all Humans share is that we are rational beings. Capaable of understanding and CONFORMING our actions to a moral principle voluntarily.

But is it wrong for us to be like this?

According to Kant an act is good if it arises from a motive to do the right thing and conform to the moral law or catergorical emperative either form of the EI gives the same result.

So, look at having sex with a thirteen year old, girl or boy, most WS look at it as a crime. Due to the fact that we follow Kants philosophy.

But if we were more utilitarian would something like having sex with a thirteen yr old not be prosecuted?

According to utilitarians what all human beings share is that they are sentient beings. Capable of feeling pleasure and pain. We are attracted to pleasure and avoid pain. An act is good as it produces pleasure and happiness. And bad if it produces pain and unhappiness.

Going back to having sex with a thirteen yr old. What is so wrong with it? It produces pleasure and who is at pain?

As long as no one is suffering than why prosecute or look down at sex with some one so young? A thirteen yr old isn't that young anymore and the being is a TEEN. And has begun the teenage yrs.

Is Kant more of a authocratic way of living than utilitarian way? Why do we choose to live as "rational" beings? People shouldn't be forced to stop their behavior if it produces happiness.

Btw I did not have sex with a thirteen yr old so don't get any dirty thoughts. I could have used drug use as an example but didn't.

philosophical models have far less to do with this issue thann puritanical values, sensationalism, and their derivatives do (among other things).

you'd have trouble finding people who reason their disapproval of action X by directly (or even indirectly) referrencing Kant, or any other philosopher for that matter.

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It's this simple, and it applies to everything and everyone at its most basic levels:

Do Good. Be Kind. Live Well.

Do you have your own children ? I guess no, but try to image if anybody here will have sex with your son/daugther, what would be your first reaction ?

For parents of 13th years old boy/girl the fact that somebody has had sex with him/her, doesn't produce any pleasure, only pain.

Ay but in Holland they have the law where the age is 13. Or that was where I thought it was. How would some body be in favor of something like that?

Age of consent is there for a reason, children and make no mistake, thats what they are do have too be protected for their own good, any notion of this being changed is a slip backwards into barbarism. Sometimes this means they need protecting from themselves and also because society at large cannot be trusted too do the right thing without some form of punishment.
Sure, sometimes it happens earlier but it shouldnt because of the dangers of pregnancy, STD's and psychological damage too young people in their formative years because its simply not always a good thing and with the amount of other variables in there its often a very bad thing which can cause a great deal of trauma.

The world is full of bastards, least let childhood be just that for as long as possible before the harsh world comes crashing in.
Philosophy for the most part is a crock, made up by over-educated people who rarely have any sense of the contemporary society around them because they fiddle around in university rather than experience of life by 'normal' people.
Am I being a hypocrite after those two contridictions?
No.
Basically because the ages of 10-18 are where people due too their social upbringing will carry a sense of worth, self and morality with them for the rest of their lives and it is possible to educate them during this time on some of the harder, uglier facts of life without having too bring sex into the equation.

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Originally posted by Lilith Philosophy for the most part is a crock, made up by over-educated people who rarely have any sense of the contemporary society around them because they fiddle around in university rather than experience of life by 'normal' people.

lol

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