I have been using live for some gigs recently, and I have noticed that when I play a track I really like, though I could easily load it with effects, cut it up, mash it with another track in the same key with the press of a button, etc, etc, sometimes I decide not to because I have such an affinity for the produced sound and a respect for the producer.

That makes me wonder - does live change the entire concept of a track, of the "song"? In the near future, will labels/artists be selling elements of tracks separately for use in ableton live with real time remixing and production?

Is the era of the complete, standalone track in the DJ world ending?

They already do sell it. DJ Tools. If the standalone era of tracks ended then it essentially wouldn't be called DJ's/DJ'ing, more like "producing" live.

most edm download sites including beatport already sell acapellas and instrumentals for a lot of tracks...a good example of how far into this sort of thing your talking about adam, is politics of dancing 2...pvd produced the entire thing using the original files for all the productions on that album which is why most of the tracks have pvd re-edits that you can buy off the vonyc shop. my question is, since we're talking about the future what's the future of dj'ing/production going to be like in say 20 years! can't even fathom...

Well if you really respected it, you'd play the whole thing out. Even mixing it is technically destroying the "purity" of the track. I don't see the problem- recontextualising and even altering tracks is what DJing is about.

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yeah you got me, i guess i really don't respect them, doc

this brings me to my new point. DJing is destruction.

don't get me wrong, I love deconstructing music and putting it back together in an original way. If I didn't do that I wouldn't call myself a DJ.

But that's not really what the point of the thread is about. It's about whether ableton live will change the way producers produce. And I'm not even talking about the way websites sell tracks, I'm talking about whether producers, with the knowledge that their tracks may be cut up and used in elemental form by Live 'DJs', will produce tracks in such a way that reacts to this. I'm asking if there has or will be a shift in the outlook of producers that we are noticing.

Actually I think ironically tracks are getting more and more "put together" and complex while at the same time DJs are starting to take them apart more and more, which is kind of funny.

at some point in the future they will definitely start to sell elements of tracks as well...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller at some point in the future they will definitely start to sell elements of tracks as well...

I'm actually surprised that it's not already being done.

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Originally posted by idoru I'm actually surprised that it's not already being done.

+1


My guess is the difficulty of copyrighting each sample, to keep people from just remixing it and releasing it on another label

i wonder what francis grasso and david mancuso would have to say about this lol

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Originally posted by idoru I'm actually surprised that it's not already being done.

It is. I've got loads of vinyl that has either the accapella or a looped sample of some aspect of the main track.

Jarv

Hes referring to selling individual samples of each song, such as each synth seperated, a few beats, and lead ins... becoming the norm. There are so much more than acappellas and tools, and rarely do people release more than that.

I don't know if selling separate parts of tracks will succeed. If you look at the number of people that dj, either with Ableton or vinyl/cd's, only few are really messing around with re-editing or even producing a track. When I speak for myself I'd rather play the producers track than editing/remixing different parts to make a complete new one. That's way too much work plus you'd have to learn the basics of producing.

I don't think the majority of dj's is waiting to become a producer. Either live or in the studio.

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