might be a irrevelant thread but after 6 mths of mixing i still have lots of "spaces" in the mix meaning empty beats.

Tried counting bars but its not possible to remember all the music that you have?

Any tipes for a newbie?

Nothing wrong with having 'empty bars', esp if your next tune sounds way different than the first tune. (ie bass is really, really, heavy)

Having said that, only real solution to the 'empty bars' problem is know your tunes and mix in at appropriate times. Most tunes you can start mixing in when there is about 90 secs left. But does not apply to all tunes

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

UMMM maybe you should write on the cd how many sets before the drop

Thats what i do.

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For the most part... mix in your cue'd track on the breakdown of your live one. Try to make the cue'd track dominant over the live one as soon as the live breakdown bar is over (this is also where the cue'd track should increase in energy, ie 65th beat)

It should work nicely for the most part, its a good way of keeping the energy up, but shouldn't be done through a whole set, and of course the keys have to compatable when doing this because your overlaping melodies.

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Originally posted by CiTrus Tried counting bars but its not possible to remember all the music that you have?

Why isn't it?

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IMO, counting beats isn't necessary, but you do have to be able to 'feel' your track.

Just make sure you're dropping in the track at the right time and the phrases match up. It's pretty easy to do with trance, as the structure is rather predictable, even if you've never heard the track before (or really know it well). The only thing that gets me sometimes is the second/third (mini-)breakdown.

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Originally posted by AnomalyConcept IMO, counting beats isn't necessary, but you do have to be able to 'feel' your track. Just make sure you're dropping in the track at the right time and the phrases match up. It's pretty easy to do with trance, as the structure is rather predictable, even if you've never heard the track before (or really know it well). The only thing that gets me sometimes is the second/third (mini-)breakdown.

Exactly.
I have never understood the whole counting bars discussion.. 95% av all EDM tracks are pretty predictable and it's easy to "feel the timing" if you have listened to EDM in general for a couple of months or so..

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Same here. Although I really really DO love the wav display on my CDJ 1000s. Or looking at a vinyl record to see where the breakdown is coming.

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Originally posted by Jeremy H Exactly. I have never understood the whole counting bars discussion.. 95% av all EDM tracks are pretty predictable and it's easy to "feel the timing" if you have listened to EDM in general for a couple of months or so..

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Originally posted by starboy For the most part... mix in your cue'd track on the breakdown of your live one. Try to make the cue'd track dominant over the live one as soon as the live breakdown bar is over (this is also where the cue'd track should increase in energy, ie 65th beat) It should work nicely for the most part, its a good way of keeping the energy up, but shouldn't be done through a whole set, and of course the keys have to compatable when doing this because your overlaping melodies.

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Listen to your tracks and get to know them, simple.
Other than that, you sometimes might want abit of a break for the audience depending on your set flow.

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Waveform displays are always very nice. You can usually tell when the synth lead (or whatever the proper term is) starts, and mix accordingly.

Too bad I (only) have CDJ-800's, no waveform display. =)

Of course, I do (try to) mix harmonically, but I still tend to mix out with 2-1:30 min left in a track, and cue the incoming from the first kick beat.