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NeoPhono
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France Blowing Crap Up

I'm not saying that these are on the same scale, but I find it interesting that the US is the arm pit of the modern world for what it's doing in Iraq, but France goes into Sudan unilaterally and starts strafing and bombing towns via fighter jets, and we hear nothing.

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France admits air raids on Darfur neighbours
By Alex Duval Smith
Published: 15 December 2006

France yesterday defended recent fighter jet raids on towns bordering Sudan's Darfur region by claiming the aggressive action was aimed at preventing regional chaos.

In the past two weeks, with minimal publicity, Mirage F1 jets have attacked and scattered a rebellion in north-eastern Central African Republic (CAR). But reports from the ground say the operation has had a devastating impact on civilians.

A French Defence Ministry spokesman said the action - which included regular Mirage sorties in neighbouring Chad where tens of thousands of refugees from Darfur are living - was in line with international calls to stabilise the region.

He claimed that without action there was a danger of a "Somalisation" of the region."We want to ensure that the Darfur crisis does not take on a further dimension. The region is crucial if we want to put a peace force in Darfur," he said.

After opposition from the Sudanese President Omar El Beshir, plans to send 20,000 United Nations peacekeepers to Darfur have been axed. Mr Beshir will only accept a beefed-up African Union force with UN logistical support.

The French operations in CAR have been centred on repelling rebels which the government claims are - like the Darfur militias - backed by the Sudanese regime. Others say the rebels of the Union des Forces Démocratiques pour le Rassemblement (UFDR) are disgruntled allies of CAR President François Bozizé who helped him come to power in a 2003 coup and are dissatisfied with his ruling of the country along ethnic lines. Both the rebels and Sudan deny they have any links.

In early November, the UFDR took the north-eastern town of Birao, which has a population of 30,000 people, as well as Ouadda-Djalle and Sam Ouandja.

President Bozizé asked for French help and Paris added 100 troops to the 200 already stationed in the country. These, including paratroopers, are on the ground with the CAR army and with Fomuc - soldiers brought in from regional allies Chad and Gabon.

According to the UFDR, the raids over several days at the start of December included an attack on Birao with six Mirage F1 fighters and four helicopter gunships. It claims the attack forced thousands of civilians to flee towards Darfur and southern Chad.

A French armed forces spokesman yesterday refused to give details of whether bombs, missiles or machinegun-fire had been used by the jets.

Humanitarian groups have not yet succeeded in reaching Birao but in phone calls to residents they have heard reports of executions and rapes by the CAR army.

The rebellion, according to the CAR army, was finally crushed on Monday with the capture of Ouadda-Djalle. However, there are fears that the rebels, who have scattered, will relaunch their offensive.

Nganatouwa Goungaye Wanfiyo, president of the Central African Human Rights League, said France's intervention on the side of the CAR army had been out of all proportion and may have increased the risk of a Darfur-style ethnic conflict. "They have just delayed the problem and worsened it. The opposition wants dialogue with Bozizé, that's all."




http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle2076138.ece

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Marc Summers
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France has done a LOT of questionable things, such as aiding the hutu's during the rwanda genocide. We rarely hear about it, but I think the actions of the USA are far more impactful on the entire world, rather than one country.

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Holy S#@T.

So, where's the outrage??

oh wait...Bush isn't involved...silly me...that's like a free exemption from being printed in the MSM...


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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Holy S#@T.

So, where's the outrage??

oh wait...Bush isn't involved...silly me...that's like a free exemption from being printed in the MSM...


Since when has the world cared about Sudan?
Think that would be plainly obvious that they dont seeing as theres been two civil wars, the Dafur genocides and a war with Chad since the 1970's.

oh wait... theres no western economic interests there... silly us

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quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
Since when has the world cared about Sudan?
Think that would be plainly obvious that they dont seeing as theres been two civil wars, the Dafur genocides and a war with Chad since the 1970's.

oh wait... theres no western economic interests there... silly us


That just goes without saying though; it's the same people that cry about all the U.S. interests that choose to ignore their own cries in situations such as this.
Typical hypocrisy from the morally righteous.


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Dont worry. Once the militias get organized, France will surrender soon enough.


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NeoPhono
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quote:
Originally posted by Lilith

oh wait... theres no western economic interests there... silly us


Actually, from what I've read, the reason France is so interested in Darfur/Sudan is oil. The French (TotalFinaElf) along with the Chinese have the biggest oil rights to the country. Supposedly, southern Sudan has the largest oil reserves on the African continent. So, upheaval in southwest Sundan means France cannot use their drilling rights to their maximum. Thus, France comes in, picks a side in order to eliminate the violence and enable them to have free access to the oil.

That's also where much of the local violence comes from. Sure, you do have ethnic squabbles, but they greatly escalated as both sides realized the goldmine they were sitting on.

I'm coming to the conclusion that oil is liquid evil.

I also think that if the US had oil rights there, you'd see them being much more active in the region.



Here's a rights map of the region, you can see how large of a stake France (number 5) has in the area.

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