Hi guys, Im going to experiment with some breaks, and was wondering if any of you could give me some pointers on how the basic drum patterns look?

Im pretty useless when it comes to arranging my own drums anyway, but obviously have a basic idea of how the kick and snare sit, but its pretty difficult to hear how the hi-hats sit, and what I should be using to fatten out the whole sound (with effects and different types of sound etc).

oh, and I dont want to use other peoples loops - cos then I'd never learn!

Thanks,

TMP

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Originally posted by MessiahProject Hi guys, Im going to experiment with some breaks, and was wondering if any of you could give me some pointers on how the basic drum patterns look? Im pretty useless when it comes to arranging my own drums anyway, but obviously have a basic idea of how the kick and snare sit, but its pretty difficult to hear how the hi-hats sit, and what I should be using to fatten out the whole sound (with effects and different types of sound etc). oh, and I dont want to use other peoples loops - cos then I'd never learn! Thanks, TMP

The thing about breakbeat is that you can do just about anything you want that isn't a kick on every downbeat.

So as long as your kick is anything but:

K---K---K---K

You're pretty much set.

http://www.simonv.com/tutorials/drum_patterns.php

http://tranceaddict.com/forum/showt...5&forumid=48&s=

dnb...but it will sum idea i guess

zOmG LoLZ dont use others loops lol or else ur a noob lol lol, loops are for noobs lol.

edit: you state that by using others loops you'd never learn...why do you come around asking how to create a basic pattern? you're never gonna learn that way eiether.

start using your ears and listen to a breakbeat track then figure it out.

Defo use your ears, if it sounds right it is right, there are no rules(well not many)

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Originally posted by ASFSE edit: you state that by using others loops you'd never learn...why do you come around asking how to create a basic pattern? you're never gonna learn that way eiether. start using your ears and listen to a breakbeat track then figure it out.

Some people find it easier to learn when shown rather than reading in books etc.

Its hard to use your ears because some tracks have so much going on, and its difficult to pick out individual sounds and where they sit.

Are you saying you have never asked how to do things on this forum?
Thats what this forum is all about - Even the best producers started somewhere!!!

Sorry I asked now!

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Generally you'll want a snare on the weak beat, otherwise it'll be hard for a DJ to mix. You can have the kick on either or both of the strong beats but in order for it to really be considered a breakbeat, you need to have at least one kick on an offbeat.

Listen to some breaks tracks. The patterns will be pretty clear.

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Originally posted by MessiahProject Some people find it easier to learn when shown rather than reading in books etc. Its hard to use your ears because some tracks have so much going on, and its difficult to pick out individual sounds and where they sit. Are you saying you have never asked how to do things on this forum? Thats what this forum is all about - Even the best producers started somewhere!!! Sorry I asked now!

no, you're right.

^^^ what diginut said...

i made a lame remix of gangsta's paradise a long time ago... but yea, probly a max of 2 kicks anywhere in the bar and use claps and snares in their place where u dont use them (though some actual breaks in the whole loop can sound really good)

K---S-C-S-C-K-SS (not very clear... will put some examples together for u in the morn - going to bed!

buy a drum book from a music store. There are lots that have zillions of beats that will at least help train your ear as to what drummer do which is kinda essential to the appeal of a break beat

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Originally posted by Spoonz probly a max of 2 kicks anywhere in the bar

What's the logic behind that then?

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There are lots of good breakbeats, my favourite are Chicanes - but everyone's already heard me go on and on about that so I won't continue The main tip I would give you (and pardon me if its common knowledge, because I only just learnt it hehe) it to program using a 32nd grid or a 16th triplets grid. I kept wondering why it never sounded any good when I tried to record jazzy type piano, or breakbeats, and then I worked out it was because my quantisation was set to 16ths, and I was playing 16th triplets all over the place Thats the only tip I can give you really, otherwise just listen to others and fiddle around...