good stuff. I love religion

I post this in response to every fundie wacko I see online. Christianity gets wtfPwned starting at 13:00

Last edited by Capitalizt on Dec-11-2007 at 13:39

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Originally posted by George Smiley Anyone who says that Islam is the "religion of hate" needs to take a damn good look at what the Bible says!

Is not Impressed....

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Jeramiah 3:12-3:14 12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. 13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD. 14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeramiah 17:1-17:8 1 The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars; 2 Whilst their children remember their altars and their groves by the green trees upon the high hills. 3 O my mountain in the field, I will give thy substance and all thy treasures to the spoil, and thy high places for sin, throughout all thy borders. 4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever. 5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit

Hmm... if you don't take them out of context then they are hardly contradictory... both passages talk about the forgiveness of sin... in 17:4 the "fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever" is for unrepentant sinners... God "will not keep anger forever" to those who repent. My guess is that if you actually read the other quotes you posted in context you'd find the same thing... of course that would go against your pre-conceived notions regarding the bible so why would you want to do that?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Hmm... if you don't take them out of context then they are hardly contradictory... both passages talk about the forgiveness of sin... in 17:4 the "fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever" is for unrepentant sinners... God "will not keep anger forever" to those who repent. My guess is that if you actually read the other quotes you posted in context you'd find the same thing... of course that would go against your pre-conceived notions regarding the bible so why would you want to do that?

Nah mate, God was a nutter!

What about him being a war criminal?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Nah mate, God was a nutter! What about him being a war criminal?

that was all before the Geniva convention

In truth, I don't have the time nor inclination to look it all up; however, I would suggest that taken out of context the verses you cite mean very little. I would further remind that the Old Testament is a bizzar combination of history, prophesy, secular laws, and morality tales. One must read those books as a whole in order to gain any insight from them; however, one thing that is clear is that these books cannot be 100% litteral... one must use reason and critical thinking to judge what they believe is true, allagory, or embellishment. Personally, I think it's a little nuts to believe that God gave explicit commands on matters of military conquest and the pillaging of the defeated, more likely these are verses that have been ascribed to God as justification for the actions of men.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard that was all before the Geniva convention In truth, I don't have the time nor inclination to look it all up; however, I would suggest that taken out of context the verses you cite mean very little. I would further remind that the Old Testament is a bizzar combination of history, prophesy, secular laws, and morality tales. One must read those books as a whole in order to gain any insight from them; however, one thing that is clear is that these books cannot be 100% litteral... one must use reason and critical thinking to judge what they believe is true, allagory, or embellishment. Personally, I think it's a little nuts to believe that God gave explicit commands on matters of military conquest and the pillaging of the defeated, more likely these are verses that have been ascribed to God as justification for the actions of men.

well stated

and george, you are going to be right there in the 9th circle if you do not accept Christ as your personal savior....

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Originally posted by George Smiley Nah mate, God was a nutter! What about him being a war criminal?

You've got your wires crossed. Your argument is not with God but the authors of the bible.

Hobbes puts it quite nicely in his little work "Leviathan"

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Originally posted by Thomas Hobbes From whence we may infer that when we believe any saying, whatsoever it be, to be true, from arguments taken, not from the thing itself, or from the principles of natural reason, but from the authority and good opinion we have of him that hath said it; then is the speaker, or person we believe in, or trust in, and whose word we take, the object of our faith; and the honour done in believing is done to him only. And consequently, when we believe that the Scriptures are the word of God, having no immediate revelation from God Himself, our belief, faith, and trust is in the Church; whose word we take, and acquiesce therein. And they that believe that which a prophet relates unto them in the name of God take the word of the prophet, do honour to him, and in him trust and believe, touching the truth of what he relateth, whether he be a true or a false prophet. And so it is also with all other history. For if I should not believe all that is written by historians of the glorious acts of Alexander or Caesar, I do not think the ghost of Alexander or Caesar had any just cause to be offended, or anybody else but the historian. If Livy say the gods made once a cow speak, and we believe it not, we distrust not God therein, but Livy. So that it is evident that whatsoever we believe, upon no other reason than what is drawn from authority of men only, and their writings, whether they be sent from God or not, is faith in men only.

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Originally posted by atbell You've got your wires crossed. Your argument is not with God but the authors of the bible.

Well obviously duh! God doesn't exist!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well obviously duh! God doesn't exist!

i was bored and I can't fall asleep

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well obviously duh! God doesn't exist!

That's lucky you understand, cause you'd look silly arguing with yourself.

Ah but I'm not the one that believes in the Bible literally...

My argument is that the Bible is a load of gibberish (well, I suppose Jesus does make some good points, but he'd have made them a damn sight better had he not tried to pass it off as God's word instead of his own, but then I suppose you have to consider the time and the delinquents he was trying to convince)

There are probably as many Christians who believe the Bible is literal and the word of God as there are Muslims who believe the same.

The Bible contains a number of hilarious contradictions, but also contains as much blood thirsty violence as the Koran, which either faith, believing their book to be God's words, could use to justify like-minded violence.

Likewise, just because some Muslims do, that does not reflect on the religion, because as I said, both religions justify violence in their texts, so you can't say "Islam is evil because it says they can kill in the Koran" because the Bible says exactly the same. You can only criticise the people who interpret it that way.

But the moral of the story is, ALL religions are idiotic. Fact