So I was talking to a mate who's a DnB DJ, and I mentioned that I label the bpm of all my tracks, then work out a rough estimate (0.7% = 1bpm) and fine tune from there. He claims this is cheating, isn't DJing etc, though he's also the type who thinks CD decks 'isn't proper djing' and all that.

Does anyone else do this?

no, there are no rules for djing.. do what you want to do as long as the sound coming out is good

Yeah that's exactly what I said, just a different technique, and that it would still 'be DJing' if it was a guy with 2 tape players playing track after track in front of an audience.

I thought bpm & key labels were pretty much standard.

no..

Not standard just a matter of preference. If I wasn't so lazy/had a prog to do it for me, then I'd do it.

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How about this thought: I don't have ALL my records individually labeled. Some of the sleeves, however, list the BPM. After a time, you come to learn what the general BPM of ALL your tracks are as a result of mixing them with the labeled tracks. So, in effect, you end up with all your tracks "labeled," even if only mentally. Once this happens, your brain will automatically know how much you need to adjust the pitch from the get go to be in the general range. (Is that cheating, too? I think not.) And, even when this is the case, you still have to spend some time fine tuning your pitch to make sure it's as perfect as possible. And beatmatching is just the beginning anyway. If your EQing, phrasing, programming, etc. are not fine tuned, then your l337 beatmatching skills are simply that - the ability to match the beat of two tracks.

So, after all that brouhaha, I'd say it is definitely NOT "cheating". Give it hell, I say!

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Originally posted by Zoso So, in effect, you end up with all your tracks "labeled," even if only mentally. Once this happens, your brain will automatically know how much you need to adjust the pitch from the get go to be in the general range. (Is that cheating, too? I think not.)

very well put. bravo!

If my friend said that I'd no longer be friends with him.

Cheating is playing a pre made set. Other than that , there is nothing wrong with simplifying certain things in order to provide the most complete audio experience for your audience. While i do not do this for all my tracks, sometimes i edit bpms if i know i will perform a mashup at some point in the evening. Its not that you cant do it as it, just that if it sounds better the job is done. Prority number one is happy dancers, not people who have trouble playing great out that think you should share the same struggles as them.

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Originally posted by elFreak Cheating is playing a pre made set. Other than that , there is nothing wrong with simplifying certain things in order to provide the most complete audio experience for your audience. While i do not do this for all my tracks, sometimes i edit bpms if i know i will perform a mashup at some point in the evening. Its not that you cant do it as it, just that if it sounds better the job is done. Prority number one is happy dancers, not people who have trouble playing great out that think you should share the same struggles as them.

Awesome post.