Throughout all of history music genres have their high and low points which is a varied point in time for each individual.

How have people not figured this out by now?

Not saying I disagree with you on many of your points, but I'm just saying... everything has its fun point. I've experienced it with trance, electro-house, and non electronic genre's as well.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik Throughout all of history music genres have their high and low points which is a varied point in time for each individual. How have people not figured this out by now?

Of course.

What I'm stating is that these trends, or at least electrohouse specifically, had a very short "high" and now seems to be having a very long "low".

Which seems strange to me.

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Originally posted by noikeee I saw this in another thread... I also saw that Fabric 20 thread... And it got me thinking. How on earth are these trends still going on, and how shit they have become compared to how they started! Electrohouse when it started (around late 2004/early 2005) was fucking awesome. Infusion - Better World (Winx Interpretation). Alter Ego - Rocker. Spektrum - Kinda New (Tiefschwarz Remix) and the similar records Sasha played at the time. Zabiela's frenetic robotic selections. Lawler's big room dancefloor-killing music. Sander Kleinenberg's slightly cheesy but fun music. Same with Fanciulli. Prydz did something slightly different, yet it was awesomeness. And then it got all shit. I think it all started with Roman Flugel - Gehts Noch. I am guilty of dancing like hell when it came out, but it suddenly got all mega popular, all the commercial jocks started playing it and it attracted lots of attention from the cheese crowd. And for the wrong reasons! Suddenly it all become a bleeps-fest, a fart bassline fest, with some corny melodies as the main feature. Sometimes even with nonsense mainstream vocals, that Citroen commercial track with some dude singing "love don't let me go" is a perfect example. And in the underground, people ran out of ideas at the same time. Sasha abandoned it and went into something even shittier than mainstream electrohouse, some of the most boring progressive I ever heard, and I was a proghead. Zabiela lost form, stopped being as awesome while paired with Fanciulli, and started playing way too much Deadmau5 nonsense. Prydz abandoned the early direction of the Pryda label and basically started producing shit. Awesomely polished and produced shit, but shit. And now it seems like the attention of everybody is to that mouse-headed guy, who now is on the playlist of every trancefag. Bad sign! Minimal first came to my attention thanks to this compilation ---> http://www.discogs.com/release/460852 <--- , where it was used as very nice bridge between tracks here and there. Just a little edge to spice things up. Yet, out of nowhere, this little nice gimmick got blown out of proportion. Now every fucking DJ in every fucking genre plays minimal, tries to play minimal, says they're playing minimal, or rapes minimal. Trance dj's play the shittiest loops ever, mixed together or on top of unicorn-laser-shit, and the guy who makes them gets all popular and is hyped beyond belief (hint: ex Deep Dish member). What the hell is this crap? I admit, I don't really know what I'm talking about. I still don't know what exactly is minimal, and my knowledge about its history can be resumed to: there was a track called Spastik a long time ago, and there's some german dudes who have been playing it for a long time. That's it. I also don't know if my perceptions about this are entirely correct, since I don't go out that often - and this island's scene, while it can reflect some trends, isn't the capital of electronic music neither. Yet, this is so frustrating. Two things that started pretty damn nice and fresh. And within 1 or 2 years, not to say months, they were commercialized and exploited up to an absurd point. They didn't even have time to show their full potential, basically it was all ruined it before there was even more than 20 decent tunes out there. So how's it going to be, is there still a chance to unlock the potential of these trends, or is it just going to keep dying a slow death? And if it's just going to keep this way, how much longer do we have to put up with this nonsense? I can already see tech-house being ruined as the next trend. Sorry for the long, slightly disconnected rant, and sorry if I offended anyone named in this post... don't take it personal. I love you guys for making music, or at least for trying.

you know that roman flugel is one half of alter ego, right?

he who giveth, taketh away

they turn shit as soon as they become generic, as in codified as a genre, and not about the sound and arrangement or concept of the sound or arrangement

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Originally posted by noikeee Of course. What I'm stating is that these trends, or at least electrohouse specifically, had a very short "high" and now seems to be having a very long "low". Which seems strange to me.

I can't speak for some of what you wrote, but I can agree with you on Zabiela. I have found him to be really boring lately. In 2005 he had some awesome stuff, mashing in movie clips with tunes like Aphex Twin - Windowlicker. I remember being obsessed with his live sets, but now I find them to be really monotonous.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik I can't speak for some of what you wrote, but I can agree with you on Zabiela. I have found him to be really boring lately. In 2005 he had some awesome stuff, mashing in movie clips with tunes like Aphex Twin - Windowlicker. I remember being obsessed with his live sets, but now I find them to be really monotonous.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, there was a couple of months in 2004-2005 where every liveset of him was absolutely brilliant. Then it started losing its magic, and I rarely follow him anymore.

But I know how judging livesets sitting at home in front of the PC and speakers isn't exactly fair, those things are made for the club... I'll say it once again: I'm still pissed I missed Zabiela when he came over here for a club night at that time.

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The highs and lows will always self correct and make a new middle. In the meantime it is your duty to discover new music and listen to whats enjoyable to you, there is no shortage of genre's or music.

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Originally posted by noikeee That's exactly what I'm talking about, there was a couple of months in 2004-2005 where every liveset of him was absolutely brilliant. Then it started losing its magic, and I rarely follow him anymore. But I know how judging livesets sitting at home in front of the PC and speakers isn't exactly fair, those things are made for the club... I'll say it once again: I'm still pissed I missed Zabiela when he came over here for a club night at that time.

True, I will be turning 21 this Summer and I know I see Zabiela pop up at Vision, Chicago from time to time, so I plan on making it a mission to see him next time he's around to get a feel of him live.

Speaking of the good ol' days... his Essential Mix from 2004 and when he was a guest on John Digweed's Kiss100 show in 2005... MmMmM... absolutely mint!

What the hell does Fabric 20 have to do with electro or minimal?

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I would of thought that labeling Fabric 20 as electro/minimal would be spot on.

Anyway, electro and minimal are two genres that need to be fucked right off in the trance/progressive scene.

Noikeee - electrohouse was never awesome at any time. It is cheesy as hell and was obviously the platform for launching all those boring MOS compilations from 2004 to present.

I can't say the same for tech house though. It has been around since the mid nineties and yes it has been refined due to the sudden influx since last year or so but I don't see it to be completely ruined. As long The Timewriter and stuff of the Plastic City label keep producing quality tracks then "real" tech house won't follow the demise of other genres by losing their cutting edge.

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Originally posted by Stanza I would of thought that labeling Fabric 20 as electro/minimal would be spot on. Anyway, electro and minimal are two genres that need to be fucked right off in the trance/progressive scene. Noikeee - electrohouse was never awesome at any time. It is cheesy as hell and was obviously the platform for launching all those boring MOS compilations from 2004 to present. I can't say the same for tech house though. It has been around since the mid nineties and yes it has been refined due to the sudden influx since last year or so but I don't see it to be completely ruined. As long The Timewriter and stuff of the Plastic City label keep producing quality tracks then "real" tech house won't follow the demise of other genres by losing their cutting edge.

I have only listened to Robert Hood's Fabric, but that was definitely Techno.

Also, I haven't listened to MOS Comp's in ages because I always found them to be shit, but they were definitely House back in the early 2000's.

Electro and Minimal are not part of the Trance/Prog scene.

I agree with you to some extent. Electro was banging back in the days but then too many DJs picked it up and started playing it at clubs. Minimal on the other hand is nothing that woken my attention....I don't like it .

Tech on the other hand is awesome and it looks like not being too stereotype.....yet.

Oh, and there are still good electro-house tracks out there...you just have to find em.