Q5 you are such a partisan hack that you are making something out of nothing here. Honestly WTF are you talking about? Biden was making a simple point...That the President should be more open and communicative with the American people while the markets are melting down.. I despise most of what FDR did but he certainly did a good job reassuring the public and preventing the panic from getting worse. When the markets fall 900 points in 2 days and rumors are circulating of several major bankruptcies, any decent president would have addressed the nation about it. Bush didn't even make a statement. He let some 3rd rate bureaucrat leak the bailout plan to the press the following morning.

I see nothing at all wrong with what Biden said. How exactly does it "torpedo" the Obama campaign?

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I can't stop laughing at Biden. It was hilarious last week when he asked the guy in the wheelchair to stand up and let everyone see him, then when he realized the guy couldn't get up he was like, "What am I talking about... God love ya, Chuck... everyone, come on and stand up for Chuck!"

Then he says Obama's e-mail ad making fun of McCain was terrible...

Then Greasy Joe says in Ohio "no new coal plants in America" while Obama says he is for them.....

Then he says this yesterday in Virginia: "I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said Saturday at the United Mine Workers of America’s annual fish fry in Castlewood, Virginia. “Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you.” Biden told the crowd that he himself is a gun owner. “I got two,” Biden said, “if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem."

LOLOL!! I like his choice of words, using "ain't" while talking to mine workers... trying to dumb down the verbage to their level in his mind. Like when Kerry went into the gun shop and said, talking like a redneck, "I'd like tuh git me uh huntin' license."


This may sound a little conspiratory, but is he trying to undermine Obama on everything on purpose to get dropped from the ticket so Obama can add Hillary as a strategy? Either way, keep 'em coming Greasy Joe!

I suppose it'd just be better if he locked himself away in a room for most of the time and only did scripted appearances.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Q5 you are such a partisan hack that you are making something out of nothing here. Honestly WTF are you talking about? I see nothing at all wrong with what Biden said. How exactly does it "torpedo" the Obama campaign?

i see you're as ignorant about American history as he is. here's a history lesson for you and Slo-Joe Biden...1) the stock market crash he's refering to was in 1929. FDR wasn't in office until 1933. 2) FDR never appeared on television.
....stay tuned for another installment of Gaffe-a-Day Vice President

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Originally posted by Q5echo i see you're as ignorant about American history as he is. here's a history lesson for you and Slo-Joe Biden...1) the stock market crash he's refering to was in 1929. FDR wasn't in office until 1933. 2) FDR never appeared on television. ....stay tuned for another installment of Gaffe-a-Day Vice President

yeah - that was clearly herbert hoover, probably the second worst president of all time, right after dubyah (and at one point i said it was too early to rank bush that low - how i've had a change of heart over the past few months).


do you have a cite for that quote? I didn't like the biden pick myself, but it beats the alternative, a creationist redneck who wants to duke it out with russia.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 probably the second worst president of all time, right after dubyah do you have a cite for that quote? I didn't like the biden pick myself, but it beats the alternative, a creationist redneck who wants to duke it out with russia.

That's a gross oversimplification of Palin. She "wants to duke it out with Russia"? Note: she pushed for evolution and creationism to BOTH be taught in schools together.

And you're leaving out Jimmy Carter on the "worst of" list. He's numero uno.

Biden's cite:

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Originally posted by The17sss That's a gross oversimplification of Palin. She "wants to duke it out with Russia"? Note: she pushed for evolution and creationism to BOTH be taught in schools together.

that's like pushing for schools to teach that the earth is flat or round. the children should just decide that issue, right?

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Originally posted by The17sss And you're leaving out Jimmy Carter on the "worst of" list. He's numero uno.

carter didn't destroy 60 years of goodwill and 50 years of constitutional law jurisprudence, and eviscerate an enormous budget surplus.

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Originally posted by The17sss Biden's cite:

thanks - what a dumbass. the irony being that he just finished saying 'follow someone who knows what he is talking about.'

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 a creationist redneck who wants to duke it out with russia.

wow man, i pegged you smarter than that. by that standard Powell, Albright, and Sarkozy all want to duke it out with Russia.

what you just said IMO defines exactly what is wrong in modern politics.

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Originally posted by Q5echo wow man, i pegged you smarter than that. by that standard Powell, Albright, and Sarkozy all want to duke it out with Russia. what you just said IMO defines exactly what is wrong in modern politics.

she called herself a redneck. i was only paraphrasing. (EDIT - or maybe not, i thought i read that, but apparently her daughter's baby's daddy called himself a redneck - my bad) To be entirely honest, the woman's views scare the hell out of me.

in any case, during that interview with the 5 secretaries of state, powell said that the russian conflict was a direct result of georgian aggression. I doubt he thinks we should get too firm with russia. I don't know albright's views, and i'm no fan of sarkozy. I'm a huge fan of powell, so anything he says i will listen to intently.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 that's like pushing for schools to teach that the earth is flat or round. the children should just decide that issue, right? carter didn't destroy 60 years of goodwill and 50 years of constitutional law jurisprudence, and eviscerate an enormous budget surplus.

haha no man I'm just saying it's not one sided, like how a lot of people say she wants just creationism taught in school. I went to catholic school for 10 years and they "taught" both even there... just giving us all sides to let us make the decisions for ourselves.


About Carter... No he just did the following (to name a few):

-Gas lines, 13.5% inflation, 21.5% prime interest rate, 7% unemployment, had to order government controlls of thermostats in commercial buildings to "conserve energy"

-Signed American ownership (and a massive strategic point) of the Panama Canal back to Panama and into the hands of an unelected general.

-invited Rob Mugabe to the white house in 1980 and fully supported his rise to power in Rhodesia, even though a different guy was elected prime minister. Carter got the world press to declare that election null and void, and look what's happened under Mugabe since.

-allowed american hostanges to stay in tehran for 444 days... thinking dialogue would set them free. no surprise they were released the day Regan was sworn in.

-Hugo Chavez was saved from recall by the voters in Venezuela in 2004 with Carter "monitoring" the election. The election was suspicious on many fronts. The exit polls conducted by an independent New York poling firm declared one half hour before the polls closed that Chavez had been defeated. When the official results were announced, Chavez was declared the winner by nearly the exact opposite percentages as the independent poll had determined. Jimmy Carter certified the Chavez victory anyway.

-In 1994, without governmental authority, Jimmy Carter went to North Korea and brokered a deal with Kim Jung Il that was supposed to keep that rogue state from attaining nuclear weapons. Jimmy's "negotiation" called for the United States to provide the North Koreans with $4 billion worth of light water reactors and $100 million in oil in exchange for a promise not to develop weapons plus assurances that inspectors would be allowed in. On Aug. 28, 2003 North Korea announced that it possessed nuclear weapons.

-Perhaps the most egregious and far reaching of the Jimmy Carter failures was his bringing down of the Shah of Iran in 1979, to be replaced by radical Muslim cleric Ayatollah Khomeini. The history of Iran is such that a secular government friendly to both the West and their trading partners along the ancient trade routes, such as India and China, had been an important stabilizing element in Mid-east politics for centuries. Jimmy Carter pressured the Shah, a longtime friend of the United States, to leave Iran. Then he denied him asylum and medical treatment. At the same time he supported the fundamentalist Mullahs who opposed the Shah. A religious revolution followed and the rise of Muslim fundamentalism had begun in the Middle East. The terrorism and overall unrest that plagues the world today can be properly traced to this specific failure of the Jimmy Carter presidency.

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Originally posted by The17sss haha no man I'm just saying it's not one sided, like how a lot of people say she wants just creationism taught in school. I went to catholic school for 10 years and they "taught" both even there... just giving us all sides to let us make the decisions for ourselves. About Carter... No he just did the following (to name a few): -Gas lines, 13.5% inflation, 21.5% prime interest rate, 7% unemployment, had to order government controlls of thermostats in commercial buildings to "conserve energy" -Signed American ownership (and a massive strategic point) of the Panama Canal back to Panama and into the hands of an unelected general. -invited Rob Mugabe to the white house in 1980 and fully supported his rise to power in Rhodesia, even though a different guy was elected prime minister. Carter got the world press to declare that election null and void, and look what's happened under Mugabe since. -allowed american hostanges to stay in tehran for 444 days... thinking dialogue would set them free. no surprise they were released the day Regan was sworn in. -Hugo Chavez was saved from recall by the voters in Venezuela in 2004 with Carter "monitoring" the election. The election was suspicious on many fronts. The exit polls conducted by an independent New York poling firm declared one half hour before the polls closed that Chavez had been defeated. When the official results were announced, Chavez was declared the winner by nearly the exact opposite percentages as the independent poll had determined. Jimmy Carter certified the Chavez victory anyway. -In 1994, without governmental authority, Jimmy Carter went to North Korea and brokered a deal with Kim Jung Il that was supposed to keep that rogue state from attaining nuclear weapons. Jimmy's "negotiation" called for the United States to provide the North Koreans with $4 billion worth of light water reactors and $100 million in oil in exchange for a promise not to develop weapons plus assurances that inspectors would be allowed in. On Aug. 28, 2003 North Korea announced that it possessed nuclear weapons. -Perhaps the most egregious and far reaching of the Jimmy Carter failures was his bringing down of the Shah of Iran in 1979, to be replaced by radical Muslim cleric Ayatollah Khomeini. The history of Iran is such that a secular government friendly to both the West and their trading partners along the ancient trade routes, such as India and China, had been an important stabilizing element in Mid-east politics for centuries. Jimmy Carter pressured the Shah, a longtime friend of the United States, to leave Iran. Then he denied him asylum and medical treatment. At the same time he supported the fundamentalist Mullahs who opposed the Shah. A religious revolution followed and the rise of Muslim fundamentalism had begun in the Middle East. The terrorism and overall unrest that plagues the world today can be properly traced to this specific failure of the Jimmy Carter presidency. -

i'm no presidential historian so we'll just call it a tie between bush and carter. the list of bush gaffes is surely to be as long, if not longer, when the consequences of his administration have time to fully play out. remember, this financial crisis is already being called the worst since the depression. think about that? if we are going to blame the president for all economic conditions occurring during his term, we need to remember that bush had 8 years to correct the path of easy money and predatory lending. Everyone thinking home ownership is their god given right (which bush championed) is the root of the current economic problem.

as for carter's foreign policy mis-steps, i'm not going to attempt to defend anything as i'm not fully informed on those situations. However, think about the anti-americanism that has spread throughout the world in the past 8 years. That doesn't come easily.

I'm not even going to start listing bush's negatives because we all know about them.

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