so basically this is an introductory offer ?, have you any samples to show us your previous work? Although i would like to hear one of my tracks mastered.

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Hi Adi

I don't have examples as I don't believe that is any indication of the quality of the master, anyone can wack a limiter on a beautiful recording!

The deal is designed to me a way to hear YOUR track mastered, no strings attached so you can go on and make an informed decision. Make sense?

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Congrats with the new studio, I see you work fully in the box?
KRK for monitoring, what do you use for DA?

Nice promotion and a good opportunity for people to get to know your work.

Enjoy the wonderful world of mastering

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Originally posted by subsequent Hi Adi I don't have examples as I don't believe that is any indication of the quality of the master, anyone can wack a limiter on a beautiful recording!

Not to sound harsh or like I'm bashing you, but that just doesn't make much sense, from an artist's viewpoint or from an audio engineer's viewpoint. First off, nobody mentioned anything about "wacking a limiter" on anything - the quality of a properly mastered track can be objectively assessed on its own merit because a properly mastered track should transfer well to any reasonable system. And the quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets (as most quality mastering houses do). Furthermore, there is nothing on your website (that I could see, at least) regarding your credentials, experience, etc. So, to me, the irony of this is that the whole thing smacks of a guy with a computer who is no different than the other fly-by-night mastering services that do little more than "wack a limiter" on a track and call it good.

In other words, the impression I get from this thread and your website is "I want to try mastering so I can make some money, so send me your tracks to practice on, and if you like it, then I'll charge you next time." That may or may not be what you're doing here, but that's my perception based on the lack of credentials and examples. If that's not the case, then you should at least realize that that's the impression you're going to leave with some people.

Believe me, this is just my impression of it and I'm actually telling you this to be helpful. You really should give people reasons to want to send their tracks to you without fear of wasting our time, potentially dealing with a scammer, etc. This notion of "send me your tracks and have blind faith in me because it's a free service" doesn't cut it with a lot of people. HTH.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Not to sound harsh or like I'm bashing you, but that just doesn't make much sense, from an artist's viewpoint or from an audio engineer's viewpoint. First off, nobody mentioned anything about "wacking a limiter" on anything - the quality of a properly mastered track can be subjectively assessed on its own merit because a properly mastered track should transfer well to any reasonable system. And the quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets (as most quality mastering houses do). Furthermore, there is nothing on your website (that I could see, at least) regarding your credentials, experience, etc. So, to me, the irony of this is that the whole thing smacks of a guy with a computer who is no different than the other fly-by-night mastering services that do little more than "wack a limiter" on a track and call it good. Believe me, this is just my impression of it and I'm actually telling you this to be helpful. You really should give people reasons to want to send their tracks to you without fear of wasting our time, potentially dealing with a scammer, etc. This notion of "send me your tracks and have blind faith in me because it's a free service" doesn't cut it with a lot of people. HTH.

what he said ^^

Also to add a few points. I think your pricing is the opposite of what it should be. The first few tracks should be less money to prove your skills, and when you see the same customers keep coming back, then you should be charging more. How do we know it's not a scam of taking $20 from 50 people in a day and hide. That's a $1000 right there, within a day.

You mentioned that your studio isn't so professional 'yet'. In that case, you should also lessen the fee to either free or one dollar as of 'yet', before people can take a trust in you.

Having 'googled images' of plugins, and a 'nightvision' pic of your studio with what looks like a laptop, doesn't sell me anything.

It's either a scam, or you are an 'opportunist'.

Why do I have a feeling the guy is just gonna run a standard oxford mastering chain in his favorite DAW, tweak it up a bit to an industry standard compressed as hell level (pun intended), limit it up to -0.1db and get 20 quid for 5 minutes of work?

Hell, with a proper mixdown provided, I can make anyone a helluva software master for a 6pack, it's just the 5% of sound timbre analogue gear provides that defines its character and that's a dealbreaker for me. It'll sound a bit sheep-ish, but I don't see the API 2500 mentioned anywhere... You'll know what I'm talking about.

Well, at least he has some good plugins to do it with, not some kid with T-Racks and 1 minute of time

But still, nothing to bloat about.

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Originally posted by Tarpex It'll sound a bit sheep-ish, but I don't see the API 2500 mentioned anywhere... You'll know what I'm talking about.

or the waves SSL compressor...

Jesus christ people. WTF is wrong with you. The guy clearly said _no strings_ attached. He's offering to master your tracks for free and you still bitch? Like, what does he need to do to please you?
He's obviously trying to make a name for himself by doing this, maybe he can do a better job than your professionally (paid for) masters. You don't know until you try.

So just send one of your tracks that you got professionally (paid for) mastered and then compare it to his job. What are you afraid of/bitching about tbh?

The only reason their all complaining is because they all had the same idea themself but never followed through, so seeing the motivation in someone else must bother them.

I cant conclude anything else, the guy obviously isn't pro, never sold himself as a pro, yet everyone is treating him like he did..w/e

edit: and Id just like to say i dont think cryo was really harsh at all, he was very careful about how he said it because it mattered for him to not come off a certain way.
But he did open the door for people who it didnt matter for =]

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Originally posted by subsequent Easy people, sorry if these seems like spam, it's not really meant to be! Just wanted to make you all aware of my new mastering studio as it seems like people here are interested in hearing how their stuff sounds mastered etc. I am doing a track free, so if you have a bunch of tracks you need mastering I can do one as a demo, no strings attached and send it back for you to lend a critical ear to. And if you just are interested anyway, feel free to send it over! HOW TO SEND YOUR TUNE: http://www.subsequentmastering.com info is on here! queries? Don't pm me on here, please email subsequentstudio at hotmail.com thanks people!

Given that theres been a few threads asking for mastering studios I think you were well justified in posting this here. Sorry for the hostile response, there's been massive debates about mastering for ages here, its pretty controversial.

Maybe the best thing is if you post some before/after snippets in a single audio file so that everyone can here if its worth the trouble of sending you one of their tracks.

Your deal sounds pretty good though, good luck with it

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Originally posted by cryophonik The quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets. The impression I get from this thread and your website is "I want to try mastering so I can make some money, so send me your tracks to practice on, and if you like it, then I'll charge you next time."

It's tough, showing the quality of the mastering process - do you only use tracks which needed a lot done to them, where the before/after is really noticeable, but the end result isn't really optimal? Or do you go with fantastic sounding mixes which only needed very slight processing to sound brilliant - in which case, people will think "I can't hear much difference, why would I pay for that?"

With regards to your second point, yes, that's a fair comment. I think a number of us who have been producing for a while, paying attention to the small details and such, would be able to do a reasonable mastering job for other people (though a mixdown would almost certainly produce much better results than mastering). I think it's fair enough - he's offering to master a song for free, after which people can see for themselves what the process can offer them.