I took some time off the forums because I realized I WAS asking pretty juvenile questions a lot. And I think the reason I wasn't learning anything is because my questions were focusing on things that weren't relevant to what I actually want or need from producing.

A lot of questions about vsts being inferior to hardware. I originally thought that I was trying to make excuses for me not being happy with where I'm at, but now I've been realizing over the last few months it really has just been my motivation to produce.

Yesterday I sat down and opened FL just to get a few hours in. And it hit me like BAM when Fruity opened. I just got this feeling of immense repulsion, hard to explain. But I looked at my computer screen and had NO motivation to produce. But the weirder thing is I WANT TO PRODUCE BADLY. Just something about FL has lost its magic over the last few months.

I don't feel serious about producing, I treat it like a video game or something. And I think the pattern based block arrangments are also getting to me.
So oddly I opened up Reason and I was like "WOW", now I feel motivated, but I just effing hate Reasons sequencer.

So its been 4 years I've been using FL, and I don't think this feeling is going away. I will always love the program to death, but I need to moveon. Like I'll be at work thinking about new ideas I want to try out, but I get home open the program and all the motivation is gone, its hard to explain. I tried changing skins and thats wasn't it lol.

So I'm going to be trying Albeton Live on my vacation.
My questions.
How is the learning curve from FL to Ableton? It literally took me 6 months to get a grasp on Reason. And about 1 months before I felt ok with FL to start making tracks and stop focusing on tutorials.

I know a lot of guys will say just sit down and use the program, but I'll be doing that anyway so I'm wondering if theres any good tutorial that just explains where everything is in Ableton. And how the routing works etc.

And my last question (this is my real question lol). I've done this for people with FL and it really helps because its such a direct learning method.
If anyone here would be willing to exchange aim and give me like just 1 hour Id really appreciate it. Maybe later tonight? I wanna sit down with the program for a few hours first but I'd really really appreciate it.

Thanks guys.

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I think Ableton is the easiest of all to learn, it took me 30 seconds to learn sidechain for example.

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Ableton doesn't really have a learning curve, and the manual can answer any questions you need. But be sure that you're not replacing excuses about VST vs hardware for excuses revolving around Fl vs ableton.

FL has its disadvantages, but its more than capable of making a decent track. Still, a change is as good as a holiday, so have a crack with ableton and see how it goes.

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Originally posted by Subtle I think Ableton is the easiest of all to learn, it took me 30 seconds to learn sidechain for example.

I think the biggest issue with people running into Ableton is people not understanding that by default Ableton doesn't give you the best sound quality.

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Originally posted by Beatflux ... that by default Ableton doesn't give you the best sound quality.

What do you mean with that?

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Originally posted by Beatflux I think the biggest issue with people running into Ableton is people not understanding that by default Ableton doesn't give you the best sound quality.

You mean the default warp settings ?

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Originally posted by kitphillips Ableton doesn't really have a learning curve, and the manual can answer any questions you need. But be sure that you're not replacing excuses about VST vs hardware for excuses revolving around Fl vs ableton. FL has its disadvantages, but its more than capable of making a decent track. Still, a change is as good as a holiday, so have a crack with ableton and see how it goes.

Yeh thats something I will def have to watch out for.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I think the biggest issue with people running into Ableton is people not understanding that by default Ableton doesn't give you the best sound quality.

I agree. For me it takes more work to get things sounding as I want them to in Ableton than it would in Renoise or Cubase - even though I use the same sample/plugin resources for all of them. However in Cubase I work slow because I never really took the time to get into it properly. Luckily there is Renoise.

I always had a feeling Ableton did something strange with the sound. I've never used ableton after v5 though.

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Originally posted by Subtle I think Ableton is the easiest of all to learn, it took me 30 seconds to learn sidechain for example.

I could only hope its that easy for me. I will admit I'm a slow learner (def not a dummy though lol) but once I learn something I never forget it.

Guess we'll see how it goes!

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Ableton is by far the easiest prog to learn. Ive bought 7 LE download-version (almost free in USD), and i like it alot. THought the LE is very limited but im only using it for loops in the clip-view so far. Planning to use it to livestuff, not arranging or do entire mixdowns.

This may help u, helped me at one time!
http://www.ableton.com/pages/movies/archive/tutorial

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Originally posted by cArAcH0 What do you mean with that?

There's a lot of little things you can do to improve the sound quality.

-Change the internal recording to 32 bit
-Don't warp unless you don't mind the grit
-Turn off "fade" in clip view, introduces a 4 ms fade
-Enable Hi-Q mode in the clip view
-Adding groove in Ableton 7 does this by warping the track
-Right click the top of EQ8 box and enable Hi-Quality Mode
-Reverb has three options for it's quality

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