I was thinking about this for a while. Are there any experienced producers who would like to dissect this track with me? This track, I don't know it does something for me. I like the melodies, the small riffs, the bass, the FX. For example, the delay on the main lead in the break, and the reverb used on several synths.

I want to know if we can dissect most of the stuff with our ears. Example: is the reverb on the lead the same as the smaller riffs from the intro, in terms of reverb time, EQ, etc. etc? What kind of reverb? How long in seconds? Plate? Hall? Insert or Send FX (Bus)? What is the delay like, that's on the lead synth? How wide are some instruments compared to others, in terms of panning, or just stereo spread.

Stuff like this. I think it would be interesting to see everyone's opinions. Go ahead!

This track is just an example. It's not the greatest trance track ever or something, and I hope we can do other tracks in the future, if this thread is worth the while. The goal is to learn from this, and see how far we get. Maybe even try to recreate sounds, just for the purpose of learning. Not to be the next Daniel Kandi.

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Last edited by AirPole on Sep-22-2011 at 23:34

Ok, I will try a few things.

- The first hi-hat that comes in. When listening on headphones, it sounds like there's definitely some reverb on it, to give it some space. But just a little bit.

- The bassline(s). My guess: at least 3 layers. A subby one, square synth. A mid one, heavy detuned saw. A third one: one note hitting every few bars, but it has some reverb on it as well, and some delay. Don't know what kind of delay. This note has lower frequencies rolled off, at least I think up to 700/800 Hz?

- The chords. Rhythm wise, they sound like they follow the exact rhythm as the bassline notes. The synth playing these chords sound like they are definitely wider than the other stuff. Is the synth doubled and panned, or just spread with another tool? Must be a filtered saw? Reverb or not?

- The small higher riff starting at 1:27. What kind of delay is on it, would you reckon?? It sounds so crystal clear, yet it's not too high or annoying to the ears. What kind of reverb is on this synth? Can't figure it out.

- The square synth riff, playing through the riff above. Reverb? No reverb?

- The lead sound. Definitely a square wave, with tons of reverb? Layered with a saw synth on top, with a low cutoff? It sounds very 'spacious'. Must be a Hall Reverb or something, at least 8 - 14 seconds? And at least 30 - 40 meters in terms of room size? Could the reverb be sidechained? I don't think it is, but it sounds that way. This synths on headphones, sounds like it has been drowned in tons of reverb, but it still sounds clear. Not too far way. Maybe the reverb was EQ'ed, with a low-cut til about 500 HZ, and a high-cut at about 4/5 Khz? The delay. Can't figure it out. I use Logic, is it a Tape Delay, or a Stereo Delay?

- The pads. Definitely some heavy sidechaining going on. Even more reverb than the main lead square synth? The sound very full, but must be at least have been EQ'ed also with a heavy roll of? Like at least 500/600 Hz? They sound wider than the other synths, which is a fairly common used technique nowadays. Or is that an illusion?

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Last edited by AirPole on Sep-23-2011 at 00:20

Quick listen of the chords sounds like:

[Intro]: F..................


[Breakdown & main theme]:

||: F | Fmaj7 | Gsus | G Am | F | Am | Gsus | G Am :||


[Outro]: F..............

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Originally posted by AirPole - The small higher riff starting at 1:27. What kind of delay is on it, would you reckon?? It sounds so crystal clear, yet it's not too high or annoying to the ears. What kind of reverb is on this synth? Can't figure it out.

Sounds like a pretty standard multitap delay. Not much reverb to speak of.

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Originally posted by AirPole Ok, I will try a few things. - The first hi-hat that comes in. When listening on headphones, it sounds like there's definitely some reverb on it, to give it some space. But just a little bit. - The bassline(s). My guess: at least 3 layers. A subby one, square synth. A mid one, heavy detuned saw. A third one: one note hitting every few bars, but it has some reverb on it as well, and some delay. Don't know what kind of delay. This note has lower frequencies rolled off, at least I think up to 700/800 Hz? - The chords. Rhythm wise, they sound like they follow the exact rhythm as the bassline notes. The synth playing these chords sound like they are definitely wider than the other stuff. Is the synth doubled and panned, or just spread with another tool? Must be a filtered saw? Reverb or not? - The small higher riff starting at 1:27. What kind of delay is on it, would you reckon?? It sounds so crystal clear, yet it's not too high or annoying to the ears. What kind of reverb is on this synth? Can't figure it out. - The square synth riff, playing through the riff above. Reverb? No reverb? - The lead sound. Definitely a square wave, with tons of reverb? Layered with a saw synth on top, with a low cutoff? It sounds very 'spacious'. Must be a Hall Reverb or something, at least 8 - 14 seconds? And at least 30 - 40 meters in terms of room size? Could the reverb be sidechained? I don't think it is, but it sounds that way. This synths on headphones, sounds like it has been drowned in tons of reverb, but it still sounds clear. Not too far way. Maybe the reverb was EQ'ed, with a low-cut til about 500 HZ, and a high-cut at about 4/5 Khz? The delay. Can't figure it out. I use Logic, is it a Tape Delay, or a Stereo Delay? - The pads. Definitely some heavy sidechaining going on. Even more reverb than the main lead square synth? The sound very full, but must be at least have been EQ'ed also with a heavy roll of? Like at least 500/600 Hz? They sound wider than the other synths, which is a fairly common used technique nowadays. Or is that an illusion?

Analyze this now:

No, analyze 1200 Mics- Acid For Nothing

Anyways, what I notice ar the pads have a lot of low end content during the drop which is why they sound rich. Kinda like why when I go play the Arp Odyssey at my local music store, the reason it sound so fat is that it takes up a huge frequency range.

I think it gets rolled off when the drop comes.

I have to agree with the square wave statement.

Are the hi hat and snare in the same reverb size? It almost sounds like that to me.

Bass is definitely layered.

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Hey, some people actually replied.

Anyone any more ideas about the main lead? How big the reverb is? What kind of delay?

What about the kick? Is it a single kick sample or layered ones, and compressed or not compressed?

There's also the piano ofcourse. Big reverb on it? Or is the delay more important?

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Chicane - The Drive Home

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