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| Trance_A_Holik |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
As soon as Bush signs it, which I surmise he'll do so within the next few days or so. The Amber Alert Bill gave it so much weight that it was going to be easily passed. The question now is how will each state enforce this law? Potentially speaking, they could easily shut down every single dance club and/or RAVE across the country with the language of the Bill. My guess is it will have some impact on organized raves, but not so much on clubs. They will likely target clubs that are suspect and/or may be having problems in other areas like neighborhood disturbances, disorderly conducts, drinking and driving accidents, etc.
But for the most part, I don't think it will effect too many clubs, provided they keep their clean. Harder security checks will take place, and better pat-downs will be more prevalent. Besides, there's still room for lawsuits from ACLU and other organizations when a wrongful shutdown and arrest occurs (and there most certainly will be one). Here's to hoping for the best. |
thank god. that's what i had in mind, just better pat-downs, and more enforcement on drugs-n-alcohol. the gov. would lose too much money if they single-handly shut down every rave in the U.S. |
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| digitalbreach |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Illicit Drug Anti-
Proliferation Act (also called the "RAVE Act"), which was attached to
the AMBER Alert bill, passed both the House and Senate late yesterday
(April 10).
T.
Sadly, the RAVE Act was added to the AMBER Alert bill conference
report at the very last minute by Senator Biden (D-DE), its original
sponsor. The AMBER Alert bill creates a system for responding to
child abduction. It has nothing to do with drug policy. The RAVE
Act had not passed even a single committee in the House or Senate
this year. One senator's pet issue made a mockery of the Democratic
process - becoming law without any public hearing or opportunity for
input whatsoever.
[QOUTE]
what is this Amber alert. Is it the one were you see alerts on the highways in order to get citizens to keep their eyes open for possible criminals.
it seems that's the only reason it(rave act) was passed. since it was attached to this other bill. those tricky old bastards!!
damn their hides:whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| deejay2002 |
| holy .......i dont know what to do now :( HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP! :whip: |
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| FuzzyGreen |
From my local scene:
TO THE FRIENDS OF 1015 FOLSOM:
You may have seen a press release, issued by the ABC on
April 11, 2003, under the headline "ABC to Shut Down Well Known S.F.
Nightclub." The headline is false. Here is the reality of the situation.
THE ABC HAS NO ABILITY TO SHUT DOWN 1015 AND NO PRESENT ABILITY TO REVOKE OR
SUSPEND 1015'S LIQUOR LICENSE.
The ABC has simply filed an accusation in which it alleges
that 1015 engaged in certain actions which, if proven at a hearing before an
administrative law judge, could allow the judge, at most, to revoke or
suspend 1015's liquor license. 1015 believes it will receive a favorable
decision from the administrative law judge, or from the court of appeal
should an appeal become necessary.
THE ABC'S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST 1015 ARE FALSE.
The ABC first alleges five incidents in which its
investigators were supposedly able to purchase ecstasy from employees of
1015. The five incidents involve only two persons, neither of whom has ever
been an employee or agent of 1015 or of any of the promoters that put on
events at 1015.
The ABC next alleges six incidents in which 1015 bartenders
supposedly "permitted" ecstasy sales at the club. What did the bartenders
actually do? According to the ABC's own report, an investigator would
approach a bartender and say "Do you know where I can get some ecstasy?" In
every case, the bartender said "No." The investigator would then disappear
into the crowd and seek to purchase a tablet of ecstasy from a customer. If
he succeeded, he would come back to the bartender -- who, the ABC admits,
had not witnessed the purchase -- and say "Well, I was able to get some
ecstasy." Apparently, the ABC is contending that the bartender can be
deemed to have "permitted" the ecstasy purchase because he did not have the
ABC investigator arrested in response to the investigator's statements.
That is simply not the law.
SAFETY PROCEDURES EMPLOYED AT 1015 ARE MANDATED BY COURT ORDER AND CANNOT BE
DEEMED EVIDENCE THAT 1015 ENCOURAGES OR ACCEPTS DRUG USE AT THE CLUB.
Finally, the ABC suggests that certain safety procedures
employed by 1015 -- EMT's on site, free water, a cool-down room -- are
"evidence" that 1015 encourages or accepts drug use at the club. The ABC
ignores the fact that all of those procedures are mandated by court order,
in accordance with a stipulated injunction entered into by 1015 and the City
and County of San Francisco three years ago. The City and County of San
Francisco insisted on those procedures, and 1015 agreed to them, because
they understood -- as the ABC apparently does not -- that even the most
rigorous procedures to keep drugs out of a club cannot totally eliminate the
possibility that some patrons may experience medical problems, whether
related to drug use or to the mere fact of dancing for hours in a crowded
room. It is sadly ironic that the very steps taken by 1015 to protect its
patrons and to comply with the law are now being cited by the ABC as
"evidence" that 1015 -- the only club in San Francisco that carries out
rigorous patron searches and that arrests anyone found with drugs -- is
somehow encouraging or accepting drug use at the club.
1015 WILL FIGHT THESE SPECIOUS CHARGES AND ASKS FOR YOUR CONTINUING
PATRONAGE AND SUPPORT.
1015 will do everything it can, at the administrative level
and, if necessary, at the judicial level, to show that the ABC's charges are
completely specious and that no discipline should be imposed against 1015's
liquor license. We ask that you continue to support 1015 by coming to the
club to dance -- we will be open, at the usual times, for the indefinite
future -- and by letting people know that you oppose the ABC's efforts to
drive 1015 out of business.
Thank you. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by deejay2002
holy .......i dont know what to do now :( HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP! :whip: |
Not vote for Bush again since he will be signing it!!!;)
Anyways.. this so f*cking suuuuuuuucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know for sure this will have a big impact on South Florida. Especially on the annyal Ultra music festival, which by the way had its problens with the Miami mayor about it just 2 weeks before the event. And this bill will surely, most likely, end what it was, the biggest electronic music event in the US. |
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| Rhythm |
ed up.
RAVE Act = :whip: :whip: :whip: .... no wait... not enuff...  |
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| SuperFarStucker |
:( :( :( :( This bill is one stain, among many, as of late, of our countries civil rights record. It is scary, as it leaves the gov't to single out *edit* and */edit* discriminate against activities it does not care for, and in this case apparently, "raves".
The way this bill passed is bull and it makes our 'system' look like one big joke, it was shot down last time with fierce opposition, so the plan now??? put it on as a rider on some 'unbreakable' bill such as "amber-alert" that piece of Senator Biden should rot in hell for this... overreacting ??? maybe, justified? definetely:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| VaNFeCto |
| Man that sux, whats the next course of action to fight it? |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| getting it repealed, i am not aware of the steps unfortunately. but DPA says they are going to start a repeal campaign very soon IIRC from the msg they sent everyone that is registered there |
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| Roquer |
alot of you here don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Why don't you  Read the bill so you know what the hell your talking about. If the bill gets all the drug dealers out of the venues, I'll be happy. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| uhh, this isn't going to move the pushers anywhere, it might increase their risk, but i don't think it will stop them, however, it does put blame on the OWNER of the venue if people are found with drugs there, how messed is that? |
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| Zen |
| Just goes to show how the government trys to control . |
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