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Linux Vs Windows ? Need some Information.
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| DJ RozzeR |
| Does anyone use Linux ? Ive been looking into doing something instead of wasting my life in front of the tv and on these forums :). Ive always wanted to learn UNIX / Linux Operating System, Ive tried to install SuSe 7.1 On my PC once , and did quite well, i just couldn't connect to the net for sone gay reason, Windows is really boring now to me, and i think i need a change. ive noticed that you can download REDHAT 9.0 For free from there site, and installing it on my laptop. And learn lots of cool stuff, esp how to root servers and that. what you all think. ? |
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| Munken |
| I prefer mandrake over redhat, but i never really gave linux a real chance, anyhow if you havent heard about linuxiso check it out http://www.linuxiso.org/ |
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| jonsimmonds |
| redhat is good for beginers, i would suggest you check out linux-format magazine, it is £6 but it has some usefull articles in it, also check out some linux newsgroups for more info |
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| TRx |
| You should also check www.dirstrowatch.com for further information about most of the different distros aviable, their features an where to download them from. |
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| UglyDave |
I used to use linux a lot when i was younger, i started out with slackware 6 or 7 i think, it was pretty challengin gettin it installed etc, and i ed up everything on my windows partition in thr process, but i eventually mastered it :) Ah no, i didn't master it, but i had a fair idea of what everything was, and how it worked, wouldn't have called myself a l33t linux hax0r or anything..
gettin online's a realy bitch, especially if u have a PCI modem, which linux just dont like! ****** to detect them.. If you can get ur modem up and runnin, the rest aint too hard, certainly mire difficult than windows and totally different, but it's a challenge :)
when i first started usin it i had a gay graphice card and i could only get a resolution of 320 x 200 with X, which was class - yeah!
Good luck with it anyways, redhat seems to be the most popular..
by the way dos anybody know a good boot loader?? That enables u to dual boot? - had lilo workin years ago, and latest distro dont have lilo :(
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| DJ RozzeR |
| Yeah i know what u mean about installing everything, I once tried to install SuSe 7.1 On my PC, I Used a Dual Boot LILO Which sucked so much, then i Used YAST ( Yet Another Set Up Tool ) , I had a Internal PCI Card with Voodoo 2 GPHX with a really old dodgy 2d card, the whole thing flopped, when Linux use to crash, on the XWINDOWS, the whole system would not boot, kept giving errors like BAD SECTOR, on start up. the whole thing was a nightmare. I know linux can be very sweet esp with the KDE and Enlightment Window Manager and Everything else. |
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| Stanza |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RozzeR
Does anyone use Linux ? Ive been looking into doing something instead of wasting my life in front of the tv and on these forums :). Ive always wanted to learn UNIX / Linux Operating System, Ive tried to install SuSe 7.1 On my PC once , and did quite well, i just couldn't connect to the net for sone gay reason, Windows is really boring now to me, and i think i need a change. ive noticed that you can download REDHAT 9.0 For free from there site, and installing it on my laptop. And learn lots of cool stuff, esp how to root servers and that. what you all think. ? |
You have to manually configure your network card using this command line:
ifconfig eth0 'Ip addres'
This is what I learnt when installing Slackware Linux |
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| DJ RozzeR |
| thats what really annoys me with unix, you have to compile the kernel all by your self. |
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| DJ_D|ABL0_ |
In my first year at uni they told me that I needed a linux box for programming. I'm about to start my finals now and I've managed to last all three years of a Computer Science degree without installing it :D Windows baby yeah!
Seriously tho, I use Solaris at uni (Unix) and although it may well be far more powerful, I feel more comfortable with Windows. Shame, works for me! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RozzeR
thats what really annoys me with unix, you have to compile the kernel all by your self. |
This is not correct. I'll try to answer everyone's question, hopefully I don't miss any.
1. Redhat is easier for beginners to learn but that does not mean it lacks functionality. It's a quality distribution and I've had quite a bit of experience with it. It tends to be a little bit behind the times, but that is the price you pay for having a stable distribution and knowing that all the pieces will work together.
2. The Linux kernel is an interchangeable component, meaning that as a general rule, you can change it without affecting anything else on the system. When you install a distro (i.e. Redhat), it will install an existing kernel, usually one that's slightly older. You MAY have to recompile the kernel depending on what you want out of the system, but this doesn't actually mean rewriting code - you just set some config options and type a few commands into the console.
3. Grub is a quality boot loader and is pretty common nowadays. I much prefer it to lilo, which was a gigantic pain in the ass.
4. Learning Linux will not teach how to "root servers." This is usually done through some sort of undiscovered exploit (like the ones you see on astalavista or neworder, but by the time you see them there, they will probably have been fixed). Hacking systems like this does require a knowledge of *nix but also a detailed knowledge of system and network security.
5. One thing you might want to watch out for (for people complaining that they can't get things to work) is "win-hardware" i.e. winmodems or winprinters. These are devices that are cheaper because they are missing certain hardware - they rely on software to do the processing. A lot of Lexmark printers and Lucent modems for example, fit into this category. If you have any devices like this, it might be hard for you to get it working in Linux, because the Windows drivers are proprietary and the manufacturers refuse to write Linux drivers (or information that would allow other people to write them). It's hit or miss with these - you might get lucky and find a driver from someone who reverse-engineered the Windows drivers, or you might find nothing. Good luck. :)
I use Windows XP on my workstation and run a Linux server on a separate computer when I'm away from home (at university). I'm not an expert or anything, but I can probably answer many questions if people need answer. |
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| jonsimmonds |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_D|ABL0_
Seriously tho, I use Solaris at uni (Unix) and although it may well be far more powerful, I feel more comfortable with Windows. Shame, works for me! |
i used solaris once at my dads work, 6 sun ultra sparcs networked together and i could do stuff like proper parallel processing (when i could use all 6 cpu's power to do calculations on just one pc) what was fun, i managed to map the electromagnecic field of a submarine sailing through a mine field and was able to work out if a mine would get it or not :D |
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