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Decay of Trance
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| filipgaliza |
Hi Folks,
I am writing this as a veteran of trance and perhaps to help myself and vent a little. I have been listening to trance (electronica in that case) since 1989 and I must say that the past few years I have seen a substantial fall in this genre.
I remember when I really got into trance, when groups such as Resistance D, Final Fantasy, Cygnus X, Jon The Dentist (the old one), Vaporspace were all coming out with real hard and electronic sounds and completely avoiding the use of vocals, goofy samples or anything sounding too similar to the norm. Back then you could close your eyes and just trip out on this melodic stuff that was void of voices, singing, guitars and so forth.
Perhaps I am being too harsh but seems like bulk of the latest mixes I have heard should be called Macaroni Trance. I mean you add a bit of cheese and you got yourself a ty lunch. Again, venting but... it appears to me that when trance came out it tried quite hard to separate itself from the mainstream sound and especially the use of singing but these days with the addition of lame ass singing in just about every track has started to show a converging path back with the typical mainstream sound. There is just so much damn singing that it almost sounds like a shampoo commercial every time I listen to a mix or new tracks.
Perhaps I am being overly exposed to the poor and more "popular" sounds out there, perhaps not...
Just felt like venting. Does anyone else share this view with me? Anyone remember when Jon the Dentist was a hardcore acid trance music producer? whats going on. . . |
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| torontotrance |
| I don't think trance is decaying. I think it's evolving and so are the deejays and producers. Personally tiesto and pvd have fallen out of favor in my book from a few years ago. Then again you have many other deejays stepping forward, john askew, jon o'bir, eddie halliwell, matt hardwick and others. Producers and deejays change their styles and evolve. I personally think trance has become a badname with the cheese crap that has filled the charts but then again, I don't consider it trance and never will. Frankly you will always have your crap and good stuff, I find the key is separating the two. |
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| ambrus07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by filipgaliza
Hi Folks,
I am writing this as a veteran of trance and perhaps to help myself and vent a little. I have been listening to trance (electronica in that case) since 1989 and I must say that the past few years I have seen a substantial fall in this genre.
I remember when I really got into trance, when groups such as Resistance D, Final Fantasy, Cygnus X, Jon The Dentist (the old one), Vaporspace were all coming out with real hard and electronic sounds and completely avoiding the use of vocals, goofy samples or anything sounding too similar to the norm. Back then you could close your eyes and just trip out on this melodic stuff that was void of voices, singing, guitars and so forth.
Perhaps I am being too harsh but seems like bulk of the latest mixes I have heard should be called Macaroni Trance. I mean you add a bit of cheese and you got yourself a ty lunch. Again, venting but... it appears to me that when trance came out it tried quite hard to separate itself from the mainstream sound and especially the use of singing but these days with the addition of lame ass singing in just about every track has started to show a converging path back with the typical mainstream sound. There is just so much damn singing that it almost sounds like a shampoo commercial every time I listen to a mix or new tracks.
Perhaps I am being overly exposed to the poor and more "popular" sounds out there, perhaps not...
Anyone remember when Jon the Dentist was a hardcore acid trance music producer? whats going on. . . |
1) Jon the Dentist was much better back in the day, this is true.
2) I think your definition of trance is a bit different from ours.. trance as we think of it really only developed in 1998. And it had vocals from the get-go.
3) If you prefer acid trance, listen to some new artist that are masters of instrumental acid.. hmm, let's see, check out some Oliver klitzig, some Igor S, Marco V, (That's mostly tech trance), and try some SHOKK, Flutlich, Dj Scot Prject for hardtrance, and for pure acid, check out the Tracid Traxx label.. just about anything there. hope i helped. maybe now you wont think new trance is 'decaying' coz i honestly think its improving. |
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| trance_a_holik |
| quote: | Originally posted by ambrus07
1) Jon the Dentist was much better back in the day, this is true.
2) I think your definition of trance is a bit different from ours.. trance as we think of it really only developed in 1998. And it had vocals from the get-go.
3) If you prefer acid trance, listen to some new artist that are masters of instrumental acid.. hmm, let's see, check out some Oliver klitzig, some Igor S, Marco V, (That's mostly tech trance), and try some SHOKK, Flutlich, Dj Scot Prject for hardtrance, and for pure acid, check out the Tracid Traxx label.. just about anything there. hope i helped. maybe now you wont think new trance is 'decaying' coz i honestly think its improving. |
A-b-s-o-l-u-t-l-e-y!!!
-reZ |
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| Nalin |
Dude, what are you so astounded with?
All good things eventually plateau because of course there is only so much you can do in music while staying original. You must understand this.
| quote: | | were all coming out with real hard and electronic sounds and completely avoiding the use of vocals, goofy samples or anything sounding too similar to the norm. Back then you could close your eyes and just trip out on this melodic stuff that was void of voices, singing, guitars and so forth. |
I believe thats called psy/goa trance, and trust me there no shortage of quality psycadelica out there.
I do understand your gripe about cheesy voice samples. Pisses me off to. |
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| torontotrance |
| Then again, the definition of trance varies for everybody. Everybody's tastes are different and that's great. I find listening to another genre a little bit helps keeps trance fresh. I was a total tranceaddict a few yrs ago but now I'm varied besides listening to trance, I'm become addicted to breakbeat and techno. Now this does not mean I'm not still totally addicted to trance. I think the dude's problem is finding the good stuff in all the crap that is around today. |
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| ambrus07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Then again, the definition of trance varies for everybody. Everybody's tastes are different and that's great. I find listening to another genre a little bit helps keeps trance fresh. I was a total tranceaddict a few yrs ago but now I'm varied besides listening to trance, I'm become addicted to breakbeat and techno. Now this does not mean I'm not still totally addicted to trance. I think the dude's problem is finding the good stuff in all the crap that is around today. |
i agree that's why i suggested some stuff he might like. :D |
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| quanneur |
i definately agree with you, filip... i find it so rare to come across quality trance these days that I've almost given up completely on it. this tiesto/van buuren/00 phlemming/corsten kind of crap just doesn't cut it with me. i can sort of dig pvd but there is still so much fluff book-ending the ocassional decent track.....
the only stuff that's really caught my interest recently are the sounds of tech-trance.. stuff like oliver lieb.. danny howells when he's not in prog mode.. some of dj micro, although as with pvd many of the tracks micro plays make me grimace.. unfortunately i don't really know where to find more of this.
in the past several years my love for house and techno has grown very strong and trance has been left by the wayside. i still hold out hope that there is fresh, invigorating trance out there and i'm pretty sure that stuff that i would like exists, somewhere.. if anyone can recommend some agressive, energetic, and intelligent tech-trance that steers away from cheese and formulas then i would truly and deeply appreciate it. |
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| DJDigDug |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rakoon
I dont think your talking about trance man. You seem to be talking about weird old electronic stuff. Trancey trance isnt dying, and neither is anything remotely similar such as prog, breaks, and hardtrance. |
Dude dont question the vets :stongue:
I dont know, i think the general taste in trance has changed but there are SOOOOOO many producers out there now adays there is still plenty of quality, its just become more like any other genre where originality is hidden below the layer of general sound, Psy trance and Goa are excelent, I cant say ive dabbled in acid trance really, i think ive heard a bit of it but im a trance youngin lolz, From what i heard tho its great ch00nage, but dont worry i dont think trance is decaying, its just larger now so you have to dig more for your particular tastes |
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| Teknoscaper. |
its all very well commenting on being 'prog elitest' and all, but its simply a matter of definition, and by definition, a lot of the stuff being belted out by supposed god-like dj's such as PVD, Armin & Tiesto these days, is not 'Trance' in the true sense of the word, but a fabricated, generalised version of noise, that gets labelled as 'epic' 'uplifting' 'harmonic' 'trance' with very limited traits to what was known as 'trance' when the genre first came into being.
the essence of trance was not this force fed cheeze ridden melodies & vocals that are the norm in 'trance' productions today.
Its refreshing to hear tunes like Hyrda - Affinity being produced in todays producing climate of mass chords & female meaningless vocal. But unfortunately examples are few & far between.
People wonder why progressive and techno as genres gain more & more popularity. The answer: subtlety. Electronic music is all about subtlety. People can only experience force fed melodies served on silver platters which involve no interaction with the music and the listener for short periods of time, its only natural for any listener of music to find something more complex, and more interactive.
It is for this reason that trance is usually the first point of call for electronic listeners, but rarely the only point of call. You can argue that its all about 'evolution of taste' but the simple fact is that trance has evolved into something that completely contradicts the very meaning in which the original genre was created.
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| mndeg |
trance kicks ass right now
for 03 |
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| melly |
| Im not trying to be mean, but if you dont like it as much any more, theres always other kinds of music to explore and listen to. I think trance hit a snag for a year or two, but 2003, i feel has been pretty strong with releases. And by strong releases im not talking about things like Tiesto's Nyana CD (Though it did have some good tracks), or Paul Van Dyk - Nothing but You. Im talking about tunes like Signum - Cosmos, Firewall - Sincere, Solid Globe - North Pole, Mesh - Esthetic Visions, Lolo - Extended Horizons. Need more? How about Fictivision vs. C-Quence - Symbols, AR52 - Timegate, Strumkraft - Revolution (Robert Lidstorem Remix), Scott Bond vs. Solar Stone - The Third Earth, and M.I.K.E. - Turn the Lights Off? To me these songs represent the direction trance is going, and i love it. No, it isnt the same as it was 4 years ago, and this isnt 1999. I just feel like its a moot point to be saying that all these artists are producing the same types of music when to me, each of them has their own distinctive style of production, that I can hear and distinguish between. If you dont like modern trance, or the place that trance music has progressed to, thats fine, but to say its decaying, or that most modern productions are cheese is just moving the post out of conversation mode and into a my-taste-is-best pious mode. sorry to rant a little.... |
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