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Pitch-change question...????
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| zizack |
| I have a question about beat-matching using a Numark TTX1 turntable. When I'm using the pitch slider to speed up, or slow down the track, the on-board BPM counter only reads tenths of a percent change, for example 1.3%, and does not get any more exact...like 1.35%. It's really hard to get the beat matches on track...does the turntable only CHANGE a tenth of a percent at a time, or does it only just DISPLAY the tenth of a percent change, and there is actually a pitch change that i can't see by watching the bpm counter? I'm not sure if this makes any sense. Basically I want to know if you can change the pitch to a more exact degree than just the tenth of a percent change the on-board BPM counter shows. Thanks. |
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| zapper |
| 101% sure that you can. The TTX1 is Numarks best turntable isn't it, so it would be very strange if the pitch control wasn't more accurate. Anyway you may have to move the pitch slider just a fraction of a millimeter sometimes to get a perfect beatmatch, so it isn't easy. Always be prepared to do some adjustments during the mix! |
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| u4ea |
Unfortunately, the pitch on the TTX1s are digital...not analog. You will never be able to get less than a .10% pitch range. I found this out the hard way. I was so excited when I got my TTX1s, they are solid tables, the torque will take your finger off, they look cool...but they have digital pitch:whip: These are phenomenal tables for hip hop djs...but not for us beatmatching DJs...they don't have pitch accuracy due to digital pitch.
I asked Numark about this, they lied to me and said that the pitch can increment/decrement smaller than .10%...Bull$#!t. I could never get a song synched for more than one phrase without having to fiddle with the record or pitch during the mix. Clearly the pitch is digital. I've heard a few other TTX1 users complain about this (on futureproducers.com) as well as a guy that trades records with me (think he just sold his TTX1s).
I returned mine and got 1200s...best decision I ever made. Analog pitch = accuracy |
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| JohnSmith |
| :eyes: seriously? that's unbelievable, their pitch is really digital? |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by u4ea
Unfortunately, the pitch on the TTX1s are digital...not analog. You will never be able to get less than a .10% pitch range. I found this out the hard way. I was so excited when I got my TTX1s, they are solid tables, the torque will take your finger off, they look cool...but they have digital pitch:whip: These are phenomenal tables for hip hop djs...but not for us beatmatching DJs...they don't have pitch accuracy due to digital pitch.
I asked Numark about this, they lied to me and said that the pitch can increment/decrement smaller than .10%...Bull$#!t. I could never get a song synched for more than one phrase without having to fiddle with the record or pitch during the mix. Clearly the pitch is digital. I've heard a few other TTX1 users complain about this (on futureproducers.com) as well as a guy that trades records with me (think he just sold his TTX1s).
I returned mine and got 1200s...best decision I ever made. Analog pitch = accuracy |
Oh . That really really sucks.
You just returned them? I got them at Sam Ash....you think it's still possible to return them in for the credit? |
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| big dave |
learn by ear its much more accurate and you dont get lazy!
you can also tell if they are drifting apart quicker as your concentrating more using your ears! |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by big dave
learn by ear its much more accurate and you dont get lazy!
you can also tell if they are drifting apart quicker as your concentrating more using your ears! |
yeah, but if they have a digital pitch change of only tenths of a percent, it will be impossible either way. |
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| big dave |
the pitch will not change in 10s of a second only the digital readout
the pitch will be the same as every other deck |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by big dave
the pitch will not change in 10s of a second only the digital readout
the pitch will be the same as every other deck |
The guy who posted above doesn't seem to think so. I'm not gonna give up on it yet obviously. But from the limited experience I've had with it so far, it seems that he may be right. |
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| ChavezHype |
| quote: | Originally posted by zapper
101% sure that you can. The TTX1 is Numarks best turntable isn't it, so it would be very strange if the pitch control wasn't more accurate. Anyway you may have to move the pitch slider just a fraction of a millimeter sometimes to get a perfect beatmatch, so it isn't easy. Always be prepared to do some adjustments during the mix! |
yea you really got to move it by little amounts... great accuracy! however a real pain if you're used to techs. Otherwise works those finger muscles nicely! |
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| zizack |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChavezHype
yea you really got to move it by little amounts... great accuracy! however a real pain if you're used to techs. Otherwise works those finger muscles nicely! |
eh, I took them back today, ordering the Technics tomorrow.
trying to decide which model...whats the difference between the 1200's and the 1210's and the MKII's and the M3D's etc...
Thanks. |
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| Dj Flesch |
| quote: | Originally posted by u4ea
Unfortunately, the pitch on the TTX1s are digital...not analog. You will never be able to get less than a .10% pitch range. I found this out the hard way. I was so excited when I got my TTX1s, they are solid tables, the torque will take your finger off, they look cool...but they have digital pitch:whip: These are phenomenal tables for hip hop djs...but not for us beatmatching DJs...they don't have pitch accuracy due to digital pitch.
I asked Numark about this, they lied to me and said that the pitch can increment/decrement smaller than .10%...Bull$#!t. I could never get a song synched for more than one phrase without having to fiddle with the record or pitch during the mix. Clearly the pitch is digital. I've heard a few other TTX1 users complain about this (on futureproducers.com) as well as a guy that trades records with me (think he just sold his TTX1s).
I returned mine and got 1200s...best decision I ever made. Analog pitch = accuracy |
I think that this statement is untrue. I own a TTX1, and as Numark said, it is an analog pitch slider with a digital readout--it is not a digital slider. The readout doesn't have more than one decimal place because it's useless to do that. You can fine tune the rest by ear as every DJ has to do.
One thing that you have to remember about the TTX1 is that you can change the pitch range from 8 to 12 to 20 to 50! percent pitch adjust. When you do this the range of motion you can move you pitch slider doesn't change, therefore if you move it half way up at 8 percent, it will change it a LOT less (4%) than if you move it half way up at 50 percent (the pitch will change by 25%!). So this means that if you have your pitch range selected at a higher level, it will be harder to fine tune your beatmatching. If you are used to the Technics normal 8%, then sure it will seem like it is harder to beatmatch when you are at +/- 12%, 20% or 50%.
I ask you U4ea, do you remember what you had your table set to--for sure? I've used this table and I can beatmatch fine with it. On another note, the Pioneer CDJs are the same way. They only have a readout to one decimal place, but the slider is still analog and can be accurate to quite a bit more places. Try it out...see how far you can slide the pitch slider before you actually increase or decrease the digital readout--or you can compare the different percent pitch increases this way too on the TTX1.
As someone said, this table is solid and for Numark's top-of-the-line table, damn straight it doesn't have this limitation. The only reason that people never noticed it on Technics is because Technics doesn't even have a readout! |
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