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| Sjodalf |
I'm thinking about buying me some cd-decks now.
And looked at different players. And the big problem is to decide witch one you should get.
I know the best way is to try them out by your selv, even before thinking about buying. Therefor I'll ask for your experience.
The new Axis9 from Numark seems like an excellent choice in my eyes.
but I know this is expensive stuff, so is there someone that have tried this one out? and is it worth the money!??
http://www.numark.com/products/prod...v=overview&n=38
Course the CDJ-800 from Pioneer seems to have what it takes, but though more expensive....
http://www.djsounds.com/hardware/cdj-800.htm
any advice from you guys?
thanks for your time. :) |
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| djshawnb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sjodalf
I'm thinking about buying me some cd-decks now.
And looked at different players. And the big problem is to decide witch one you should get.
I know the best way is to try them out by your selv, even before thinking about buying. Therefor I'll ask for your experience.
The new Axis9 from Numark seems like an excellent choice in my eyes.
but I know this is expensive stuff, so is there someone that have tried this one out? and is it worth the money!??
http://www.numark.com/products/prod...v=overview&n=38
Course the CDJ-800 from Pioneer seems to have what it takes, but though more expensive....
http://www.djsounds.com/hardware/cdj-800.htm
any advice from you guys?
thanks for your time. :) |
well i have axis 8, and for begginners their a good choice. i havent tried the axis 9 yet but as far as im concerned there arent alot of differences from the axis 8. the axis 8 are like one of the best ones out there, better than the cdj-800's. |
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| big dave |
| im looking into buying a single cd deck also and i gotta admit the new axis 9 looks qualty! havent tried it yet but im considering saving a few more quid to get this one! |
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| Sjodalf |
| quote: | Originally posted by djshawnb
well i have axis 8, and for begginners their a good choice. i havent tried the axis 9 yet but as far as im concerned there arent alot of differences from the axis 8. the axis 8 are like one of the best ones out there, better than the cdj-800's. |
w00t, you gotta be kidding me?
Axis8 better then cdj-800 from Pioneer??
hum.. sounds a bit strange..
but haven't tried either one of them.. so if you say so.. :rolleyes: |
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| Tiger777 |
oh ya it's better than the axis. It's in the same price catagory so if I was you, i'd go for the CDJ800
Info: HERE |
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| djshawnb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sjodalf
w00t, you gotta be kidding me?
Axis8 better then cdj-800 from Pioneer??
hum.. sounds a bit strange..
but haven't tried either one of them.. so if you say so.. :rolleyes: |
yeah well wutever u say then, i havent tried the cdj800's b4. maybe they could be better. |
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| Dj Flesch |
Here is my take on it. I don't see any reason to buy the axis 9 over the axis 8, unless you actually plan on using the extra features that you will be paying $200 extra per deck.
1. The touch sensitive jog wheel. While I've used this on the cdj-1000, the ability to turn it on and off is one feature that I would make sure is included on this table. I saw no mention of it on Numark's webpage, so you may want to look for that, or go into a music store and see if you can play around with it before you buy. Also, this is primarily to give you better ability to scratch, will you actually be doing that>--and with trance? :disbelief:
2. I couldn't tell if there are more effects on the axis 9 versus 8, but it looks about the same. I've never really felt that effects should be on cd decks or turntables. I think that it's useless and you are paying double for it to have it on both decks instead of just having a mixer with an effects processor. Better yet, buy a single external processor and hook it up to your mixer--you can get a LOT more effects, a better quality effects processor and only have to for it once! In addition to this, I know that on the CDJ-100s that I have, you have no control over how fast or slow the effect happens relative to your BPM. Sure you can slow the effect down or speed it up with the jog wheel, but this is just the ability to change the speed, this is NOT control. The DJM-600 has a function that allows you to beatmatch the effect to your track. This way the effect will take EXACTLY 4 beats (or whatever you set it to), not 3.5 or 4.25 etc.
It is very possible that the newer decks can do this, especially since the axis 8 and 9 both have BPM counters on them (which again, you are paying for one on both decks and probably a third on your mixer if you are sticking with higher-end equipment.
3. As above, the looping abilities are in the same boat as the effects--if you will be one of the very few to actually USE the loop function, you will probably be using the one on your mixer instead of your table.
4. The next function that is semi novel is the adjustable start and stop speed. This is quite nice, but can easily be imitated with the jog wheel and a zip effect on a less expensive deck like the cdj-100. Both the axis 8 and 9 have it, so there is no difference on this point between the two decks--but do you really need it?
5. The BPM counter and auto-sync function is good I guess if you are a newbie and are spinning out, but if you are newbie, then you probably are not spinning out, and you probably should not be spinning out :p Therefore unless you don't want to learn how to really mix, then you won't need this function. This, again, is on both decks, so no difference.
6. All of the digital and midi connections are the same, and both can take cdrs. Both have rubber buttons, which you may or may not like because your finger can stick to them and they can be worn smooth after a while. Both say they are upgradable, but to what? Do they mean that there are more after market parts that you can buy and install to make your deck better, or does this just mean that you can replace the parts that will inevitably break? And sleep mode to increase laser life? This makes me question what kind of crappy laser are they putting in there in the first place. When have you ever known a cd player or cd deck to stop working because the laser has failed? For me personally, I've been using the same cd decks for over 3 years and they are fine. I've been using the same cd player on my stereo for close to 10 years, and it's still in tip top shape--and it was a LOT cheaper than the axis 8 or 9.
So I have come down to only two differences between the axis 8 and 9. One is the very first point--the touch sensitive jog wheel, which may or may not be useful to you. Is this worth paying $1200 for instead of $800 for the Axis 8? The other difference, is of course the most obvious one--looks. Of course the 9 looks way better than the 8, but all they really did was paint it black and resign the look of the buttons. It's up to you to descide if it is worth it or not. I know that sometimes I am willing to pay for looks, but I don't really have the budget concerns of most, so you will have to consider your own budget and whether or not you feel the upgrade in looks is worth the extra cost.
Now let me discuss the CDJ-800, which will run you $1400 a pair. Honestly, the only differences between the decks comes down to four points.
1. The 800 has a larger jog wheel--almost 18cm, versus 13cm for the axis. This is very important, so don't think that size doesn't matter! :stongue: The larger the wheel, the less sensitive it is. Think about it this way. The larger the wheel, the larger the circumference of the wheel. This means that when you move a larger wheel, lets say, 1cm along its point of rotation, then you will move it fewer degrees (360° in a circle) than you will a smaller jog wheel. So it seems like this is bad that it is less sensitive right? No, in fact this is the one reason I enjoy spinning with vinyl over cds and I have to readjust when I don't use cds for a while. Since the larger wheel (vinyl having a 30.5cm "jog wheel") doesn't move as many degrees, you can now fine-tune your beatmatching much better. This is the most important point of my whole post, because if you spend $1200 and get the Axis 9s, then you will be sorely disapointed that you didn't spend the extra $200 if you can't beatmatch as well as you could with the CDJ-800s. All of the advanced effects and features won't matter if you can't get the basic ones down!
2. It does the touch-sensitive jog wheel a LOT better than Numark does. It links the entire player to the jog wheel so you can have absolute control over everything that you do, with many very convienent features. You can read about them by clicking on the tech spec link on the page that tiger777 provided above. So if you are really getting the Axis 9 for it's touch sensitive jog wheel, then you better be sure that you like it at least as well as the one on the cdj-800.
3. Another topic is the quality and reputation of the Brand Names. Pioneer wholey wins the cake here, no contest. Numark is making a good comeback with it's highest end products, but Pioneer doesn't even market a "low-end" product line--something to think about. Pioneers most inexpensive equipment is still very good quality.
4. Again, it comes down to looks. If you think that the Numarks are beautiful and the CDJ is ugly, then you may not like putting all that money toward something that you don't like looking at. My personal point though, is that whichever one you get, you will enjoy it's look absolutely--because it will be YOURS!
In summary, I would suggest going for the CDJ-800 if you are going to use the touch sensitive jog wheel and looping effects etc. If you are not going to use those effects, or are unsure, then I wouldn't suggest that you get any of the decks discussed here. I would go for the CDJ-100. This way if you want the effects, you can get them on your mixer, or with an external processor--and it doesn't leave you effect-less either. There are three effects on the CDJ-100: Zip, Wah and Jet(flanger). The Jet/flanger and Wah effects being by far, the two most common effects that djs use. The 100 is the perfect choice since, by your comment "the CDJ-800 from Pioneer seems to have what it takes, but though more expensive...." I would assume that you are on a budget. This way you can get a pair of decks for $600 and have $200-$800 more to spend--a new mixer, an effects processor, a nice case and stand, speakers and of course, music!!
As always, I suggest that you go to a music store and play with your decks :stongue: before you buy them! |
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| Dj Flesch |
| quote: | Originally posted by djshawnb
well i have axis 8, and for begginners their a good choice. i havent tried the axis 9 yet but as far as im concerned there arent alot of differences from the axis 8. the axis 8 are like one of the best ones out there, better than the cdj-800's.
yeah well wutever u say then, i havent tried the cdj800's b4. maybe they could be better. |
No offense man, but why did you even state that the Axis 8 is better than the CDJ-800 in the first place if you have absolutely no basis for comparison. In my opinion, you did nothing but mislead someone who was depending on those who post here for correct information. And with this information he might have spent money on a certain pair of decks and regretted it due to misleading information.
I don't mean to rail on you, but please think about if you actually know about what you are typing when you post advise. |
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| Tiger777 |
I always say: "When you don't know what you're talking about, you better shut up..."
He's rite there man. If it was you who needed advise, you'd like to have correct information too huh:conf: |
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| djshawnb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tiger777
I always say: "When you don't know what you're talking about, you better shut up..."
He's rite there man. If it was you who needed advise, you'd like to have correct information too huh:conf: |
i dont want to be mean here, but please read the post's i type carefully. i stated that they could be better than the axis 8's, or maybe not, bcuz i never tried the cdj800's before. so that tells the person i dont know anything about the cdj800's. and therefore, he or she will compare both of them and will check to see which one suits him or her the best. i never meant that they have to buy the axis 8. |
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| Dj Flesch |
| quote: | Originally posted by djshawnb
i dont want to be mean here, but please read the post's i type carefully. i stated that they could be better than the axis 8's, or maybe not, bcuz i never tried the cdj800's before. so that tells the person i dont know anything about the cdj800's. and therefore, he or she will compare both of them and will check to see which one suits him or her the best. i never meant that they have to buy the axis 8. |
True, if you hadn't made that second post, then I wouldn't have had the basis for making my post to you. My point was that you didn't tell us that you had never used the CDJ-800 until the second post, which was prompted by Sjodalf stating that your initial post was rediculous. Again, I'm not trying to be mean either, but if you are going to compare equipment like that, then your disclaimer of not ever having used the CDJ-800 should have been in your initial post, because it is possible that the person may never read your later post. |
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| djshawnb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Flesch
True, if you hadn't made that second post, then I wouldn't have had the basis for making my post to you. My point was that you didn't tell us that you had never used the CDJ-800 until the second post, which was prompted by Sjodalf stating that your initial post was rediculous. Again, I'm not trying to be mean either, but if you are going to compare equipment like that, then your disclaimer of not ever having used the CDJ-800 should have been in your initial post, because it is possible that the person may never read your later post. |
oh well sorry about that. i forget to type things sometimes. |
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