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Matrix Revolution Explained - Top Secret Must Read . (pg. 2)
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| RobertRollie |
What a load of bollox. You can find biblical, pagan, muslim, indeed all kinds of religious paralells anywhere if you look. People only think this because they choose to see it that way... churchies think would be cool for the matrix tobe based on the bible, but im sorry to say it isnt.
The major theme in the Matrix series, is about choice and control - that to control someone means to give them no choice. This can be seen over an over again in Reloaded, as characters repeat things like 'we only do what we're meant to do', and 'we're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free'.
The machines seek to control humans entirely, by removing choice. They tried to create a mathematically and logically perfect matrix, which failed because humans often make choices based on things besides this, like emotion, which machines cannot understand. In order for the matrix to work a choice had to be introduced, but this was in conflict with the entire purpose of the matrix which was to remove choice. This is what causes the systemic anomaly, or The One.
People draw paralelles between the one's reapearance and jesus coming back, when in fact the one is an iterative process introduced by the machines. This would be like saying every time jesus dies he will come back and he is ultimately the creation of the devil.
Oh and lastly, there is no 'REAL' world and 'FAKE' world, the 'real world is merely another part of the matrix, designed to trick the humans into thinking they have a choice of accepting it or not. Theyre not in the real world fighting the machines, theyre just in a different program. |
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| DJ RozzeR |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertRollie
What a load of bollox. You can find biblical, pagan, muslim, indeed all kinds of religious paralells anywhere if you look. People only think this because they choose to see it that way... churchies think would be cool for the matrix tobe based on the bible, but im sorry to say it isnt.
The major theme in the Matrix series, is about choice and control - that to control someone means to give them no choice. This can be seen over an over again in Reloaded, as characters repeat things like 'we only do what we're meant to do', and 'we're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free'.
The machines seek to control humans entirely, by removing choice. They tried to create a mathematically and logically perfect matrix, which failed because humans often make choices based on things besides this, like emotion, which machines cannot understand. In order for the matrix to work a choice had to be introduced, but this was in conflict with the entire purpose of the matrix which was to remove choice. This is what causes the systemic anomaly, or The One.
People draw paralelles between the one's reapearance and jesus coming back, when in fact the one is an iterative process introduced by the machines. This would be like saying every time jesus dies he will come back and he is ultimately the creation of the devil.
Oh and lastly, there is no 'REAL' world and 'FAKE' world, the 'real world is merely another part of the matrix, designed to trick the humans into thinking they have a choice of accepting it or not. Theyre not in the real world fighting the machines, theyre just in a different program. |
there is a real world , the bible reference of man making machine is true , but machines dont have choice and they dont have love of hate thats why the architech created Neo to see if he could love |
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| RubiK Cube |
| The assumption that it is based on truth can also be disputed by looking at it from a post-modernist standpoint. This relates to the fact that society is based on relativity, and that there is a decline of absolute truth - there is no certain single truths about the world. |
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| ampburner |
sounds very solid, but explain this to me...
| quote: | | Notice the predictions she makes for Morpheus and Trinity are both things that are under the Architect's control (that Morpheus will find him, and Trinity will fall in love with him). Trinity falling in love with Neo is CRITICAL to the Architect's plan. If she does not, he will let Neo die and generate another "One", as he has failed at his goal of producing an AI that can be loved. |
I don't see how trinity falling in love with neo is under the architecht's control. which would be, IF IM RIGHT, and considering the fact that he himself states that this is a critical factor, the one major flaw in his theory, no? |
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| LordTranceaLaut |
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...show?msid=19724
listen to this guy talk about the matrix trilogy...its funny in parts and i hope u guys can all make out the accent...also ull notice the textbook manner in which ppl speak english in my country on tv n stuff to look cool ....he mentions a guest apperance inthe film by someone at the end....whats that all about |
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| dEEkAy |
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what this means is that zion is not a real city and in reality everyone is still plugged into the system. thats why at the end neo is able to destroy the sentinels and agent smith is also able to enter zion. they couldn't have done that if zion were a "real" city.
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A mate of mine came up with the same idea that Zion is somehow a "second" Matrix. |
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| MaRt |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEEkAy
A mate of mine came up with the same idea that Zion is somehow a "second" Matrix. |
That's what the vast majority of people seem to be suggesting - frankly this conclusion would be a little pathetic and extremely disappointing!
The notion of a 'virtual reality within a virtual reality' has already been witnessed before in a movie I believe was called The Thirteenth Floor (or something to that effect). I have faith in the Wachowski Brothers to deliver something unexpected and original - they have spent a number of years writing and planning the Matrix trilogy after all.
More significantly, surely exposing Zion as a secondary or auxilary Matrix would render the first two films redundant, irrelevant and really rather pointless?
All said and done I have no better ideas as to what the eventual outcome will be - myself and my mates are convinced that Persephone will play a significant role, apart from one who maintains that the 'mother' of the Matrix is actually Trinity. Uh-huh. |
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| fr0st |
| matrix = star wars = lord of the rings = beowulf |
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| StalkerElmo |
First of all, I would like to agree with the posts above that it is NOT A MATRIX WITHIN A MATRIX. That just destroys the whole point of the movie, and therefore messess up for the storyline. For those who thought because Neo stopped the setinals in the ending is a matrix within a matrix, is false. For those who have trouble understanding, think of an mathematical equation, left side must equal right side, whatever you do to one side, you do to the other, L.S = R.S
Basically, Neo adopted the ability to stop those machines is because Agent Smith, a program, or a VIRUS, has entered the REAL WORLD within a human body, therefore meaning a body is infected by a virus?? Get what im saying, therefore, if that occured, Neo adopted the ability to have power inside the real world because the real world + dream world were unbalanced due to the occurance of Agent Smith inside a human body. The equation must be balanced out in order to maintain it's harmony, therefore Neo could stop the machines.
The end. |
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| mr_smidge |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RozzeR
The ship is the Nebucadnezzar |
That would be the Nebuchadnezzar.
But I have to agree that the parallels between christian belief and the Matrix storyline are far too similar to dismiss. |
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| mr_smidge |
| quote: | Originally posted by StalkerElmo
I would like to agree with the posts above that it is NOT A MATRIX WITHIN A MATRIX.
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Basically, Neo adopted the ability to stop those machines is because Agent Smith, a program, or a VIRUS, has entered the REAL WORLD within a human body, therefore meaning a body is infected by a virus?? Get what im saying, therefore, if that occured, Neo adopted the ability to have power inside the real world because the real world + dream world were unbalanced due to the occurance of Agent Smith inside a human body. The equation must be balanced out in order to maintain it's harmony, therefore Neo could stop the machines. |
A matrix within a matrix is perfectly plausible, moreso than any sentinels being affected by the thoughts of Neo in the real world (humans don't have superpowers, now do they?).
The matrix is the only world that needs 'balancing', since it is controlled by the machines. The real world does not. Don't ask me how Agent Smith has infected somebody in the real world unless it is in fact, another computer-controller matrix. The only explanation that I can think of is that Agent Smith has directly worked out how to rewrite the "program code" of human minds in the real world, using the matrix. |
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| bassaholix |
DJ RozzeR
Are you a priest???
LOL
Cause do you really think the Wachowsky Brothers look like people who attend church on a sunday morning?
And don't give me that they go to Saturday night church either...
LOL |
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