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Intelligence vs. Knowledge (vs. Experience)
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| TranceGiant |
| What do you think is more important for success in school/job anywehre else. And what do you personally regard as more significant? And ...........what do you think dominates in your case? ;) |
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| Shakka |
| Common sense goes a long way. I think the right experience will probably take you a lot further than simply the right education, but education is very important. |
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| TranceGiant |
I see it like the goold old story about the race between Turtle and Rabbit. Rabbit uses its speed to run, run, rund but relies too much on his talent and therefore decides to take nap. Meanwhile the Turtle, while obviously inherently handicapped, catches up and even wins. Ambition goes a long way....and there's nothing sadder than wasted talent. Problem with geniuses is that they often rely too much on their skills until the ambitious turtles passes them. I'm not super-smart in any way but I've had my special skills in some subjects in school and yet I ended up being spoilt and lazy which made many turtles pass me.
This is very the powe of learning form EXPERIENCE comes into play though :) He who is able to combine all three components will eventually succeed.
Hm I just realized that this is just one aspect of this topic. This actually deals with intelligence vs. ambition.
Knowledge is something different though. Knowledge is mainly the amount of lessons learnt from others. Its important in that you learn from experience of others (and experience, after all, can mainly come with TIME, it can't be forced) in order to establish a basis your your own acting/thinking which, however, is particularly shaped by yout intelligence.
Hm...Im not making any sense ;) I think my point is that its some kind of a triangle..or rectanblge (if ambition is included). It also illustrates how much intelligence is overrated (IMO). At least everything that goeys beyon above-average IQ. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
I see it like the goold old story about the race between Turtle and Rabbit. Rabbit uses its speed to run, run, rund but relies too much on his talent and therefore decides to take nap. Meanwhile the Turtle, while obviously inherently handicapped, catches up and even wins. Ambition goes a long way....and there's nothing sadder than wasted talent. Problem with geniuses is that they often rely too much on their skills until the ambitious turtles passes them. I'm not super-smart in any way but I've had my special skills in some subjects in school and yet I ended up being spoilt and lazy which made many turtles pass me.
This is very the powe of learning form EXPERIENCE comes into play though :) He who is able to combine all three components will eventually succeed.
Hm I just realized that this is just one aspect of this topic. This actually deals with intelligence vs. ambition.
Knowledge is something different though. Knowledge is mainly the amount of lessons learnt from others. Its important in that you learn from experience of others (and experience, after all, can mainly come with TIME, it can't be forced) in order to establish a basis your your own acting/thinking which, however, is particularly shaped by yout intelligence.
Hm...Im not making any sense ;) I think my point is that its some kind of a triangle..or rectanblge (if ambition is included). It also illustrates how much intelligence is overrated (IMO). At least everything that goeys beyon above-average IQ. |
Also depends on what line of work you want to go into. |
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| TranceGiant |
Eh? Porn star, baby! :o
Requirements:
sexul experience
knowledge of the human budy
emotional intelligence |
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| sifntj0r |
i think you just have to be able to adapt successfully in any given environment in order to get the job done.
a quick learner doesnt necessarily need knowledge to succeed, whilst someone with common sense doesnt need a high level of intelligence to succeed also.
above all, hard workers succeed. if you're committed to doing a good, thorough job and working hard to get the task done, i think you can go anywhere. |
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| rupert |
How to get a good job
1) contacts/networking
2) being in the right place at the right time/ luck
3) persistence
4) education
Being succesful in a job
1) doing what you are told
2) personability
3) ability to take credit for things when they are going well
4) ability to deflect blame onto others when things go bad
5) perceived teamplayerness
6) talent
7) education |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
What do you think is more important for success in school/job anywehre else. And what do you personally regard as more significant? And ...........what do you think dominates in your case? ;) |
In school, knowledge is definately a winner. What, you gonna do a chem or bio exam off experience? right, come on. Even in studing for business courses, you still need knowledge to pass.
Jobs. Depends on the job you get. If you are required a hard science degree, knowledge and experience are very imporant. If you getting a business job, both experince and knowedge is important.
Generally knowledge/experince go hand in hand because you need both. Everyone else had great stuff to say too :) |
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| Streakfury |
I think you need all three (intelligence/knowledge/experience) but to really stand out you need wisdom - thats something you cant really make up for if you haven't got any!!! lol
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| TranceGiant |
| haha true, true word, Vesa. And an entertaining post. Not too sure if everyone's got "talent" as you put it. At least not "talent" applicable to certain jobs or to "get laid". Unfortunately those 5 points are rarely balanced. You might have everything just as much as u might have nothing. |
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| CortexBomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Streakfury
I think you need all three (intelligence/knowledge/experience) but to really stand out you need wisdom - thats something you cant really make up for if you haven't got any!!! lol
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I think wisdom is the result of experience mixed with intelligence though...if you're wise you've probably had experiences, and learned from them as a result.
I know few people that I'd classify as wise, and of those age is a big factor, one reason why I'd never teach philosophy until I was in my 50's :)
As for what's most important, definitely depends on what you're doing. Common sense goes a long way, but it doesn't do much good in a class room setting. That said, common sense is critical, many very intelligent people have none of it, and I think less of them as a result. Common sense tends to serve you well in unexpected situations, and it helps you keep things in perspective.
Knowledge in and of itself is pretty useless in a rapidly changing environment like business, but in an academic one it's a useful link in the chain. Raw knowledge is probably the least valuable of the 3 listed IMO.
Intelligence is useful in anything beyond menial labour though, it generally helps you assimilate experiences more effectively, and pick things up more quickly. I relate intelligence to a computer's CPU, being more intelligent lets you run some programs that others can't, and lets you run most of the other programs faster. |
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| trancaholic |
Interesting thread. I think "succeeding" can be defined in two ways: Thriving and advancing. For instance, I worked two years as a warehouse assistant with little rise in salary and no promotions, and I would still say that I succeeded in my job as I had a pleasant time and recieved encouragements along the way as well as an excellent letter of recommandation upon leaving. In order to thrive, I think the most important qualities are tolerance and reliability. Oh, and you need to be able to overlook the fact that people are taking advantage of you.:)
Since joining the academic world, I have aimed at combining thriving with advancing, in terms of decent grades eventually resulting in a ph.d.-stipend. To advance independently of your situation I'd say you need intelligence. If your surroundings allow for it, you can get by with an above average personality (as in "coasting"). In addition to this you absolutely need to have ambition/be persistent (as pointed out several times above), while a huge amount of experience is not a necessity, in my experience;). For instance, I have a really bad memory for things I do not use in my daily life, yet I get along fine. Additionally, I've worked with people, which have never been employed in a real-life job, but only have acedemic experience, and they are very much succesfull (one being associate professor at the age of 28).
As school life is packed with weirdos who work in solitude, you can easily get by with a personality that is unacceptable to most members of the general public, but I assume that corporate life would have quite different demands in this area. Same goes for common sense. |
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