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0 Degrees Kelvin ... The Absolute Zero (pg. 2)
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| Misty Kitty |
aint sumone passed the speed of light already???
(sorry if this was posted above... too tired to read all posts, but too awake n in touch with dc to go to bed, fakk i need a shag) |
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| whiskers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misty Kitty
aint sumone passed the speed of light already???
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only on star trek, afaik.
we, regular humans, haven't been able to reach c/2 |
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| DJ Mil0 |
if you cooled everything down to absolute zero you would get canada
hehe just kiding but im here on vacation and it was FREEZING today:D |
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| o0moonman0o |
| quote: | Originally posted by oDrori
That's why I found it so interesting that one theoretical impossibility (Reaching the speed of light) gets all the attention while the other one (Reachin 0 degrees Kelvin) gets nearly none. |
imo reachin the speed of light is not that important and should not get as much attention or hype it's gettin.
If we wanna reach the speed of light we obviously wanna go faster than it, so in the end theres more point in tryin to figure out how to travel faster than light, but instead we should use our time to figure out something that allows us to go from point a to point b faster than speed of light without tryin to find a way to reach speed of light... and thats when WARP comes into this little discussion... :P as far as I know, warping is basically compressin the dimension or "space" infront of an object, makin the dimension thinner, hence makin the distances shorter. As the object passes through a the specific segment of "space" the "space" behind the object decompress. So I think that we should dump more resources into researchin warp devices instead of smashin our heads together to think of a way of reachin the speed of light when in the end we'll use warp instead. but I think the most important thing we should consider is how to power these devices..
o yeah, for those still wonderin about passing speed of light we can never reach/pass it cuz when u hit speed of light ur mass becomes infinite, as a result it would take infinite amount of force to move the object cuz force = mass * acceleration. |
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| whiskers |
| not only your mass becomes infinite but time actually stops when you reach the speed of light... that's one of the perks of the electron cloud... |
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| DJ Mil0 |
Allright well i my as well give something worth while here.
allright now first thing you have to realize that acording to
E=MC2 energy is equal to mass constante from this you can also bring the conclusion that T=VC2 i.e. that Time is equal to Velocity constantly. ( you get this fromt he fact that the universe is constantly exspanding and at a constant rate which i will get to later on. That and the fact that there is no actual exsistance of time is is just a measurement made by man to count the ageing of organisms. Since it dosent exsist time cant be moved forword or backwords in becouse it simply isint there. But it is possible that if everything else is in motion and one individual thing is completly still (down to the electrons) i.e. -257 degs celcious you would be still in time well everything else would be moveing through time. So therefore you would be ageing at a different speed then the outside world. So if you were this object that was complelty frozen then you would be in suspended animation and could live forever prutty much becouse all other things are under the effects of motion well you arent. Which brings us to the plot which is that if this were to happen people could be put into suspended animation.
anyways im sure thats all very confusing and im not even sure if i understood it myself, hope you enjoy
peace |
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| Z1D |
| jason/physe, this thread has your name written all over it |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misty Kitty
aint sumone passed the speed of light already???
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Nope, we've managed to surpass the speed of sound... Which is less than 1200 KM/h or less... Speed of light in vacuum (IE outer space) is approximately 300,000 KM/second if I'm not wrong...
Go get a shag :p
| quote: | Originally posted by o0moonman0o
imo reachin the speed of light is not that important and should not get as much attention or hype it's gettin.
If we wanna reach the speed of light we obviously wanna go faster than it, so in the end theres more point in tryin to figure out how to travel faster than light, but instead we should use our time to figure out something that allows us to go from point a to point b faster than speed of light without tryin to find a way to reach speed of light... and thats when WARP comes into this little discussion... :P as far as I know, warping is basically compressin the dimension or "space" infront of an object, makin the dimension thinner, hence makin the distances shorter. As the object passes through a the specific segment of "space" the "space" behind the object decompress. So I think that we should dump more resources into researchin warp devices instead of smashin our heads together to think of a way of reachin the speed of light when in the end we'll use warp instead. but I think the most important thing we should consider is how to power these devices..
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Researches on reaching and on surpassing lightspeed are quite parallel methinks, whether by acceleration or by warp...
| quote: | Originally posted by o0moonman0o
o yeah, for those still wonderin about passing speed of light we can never reach/pass it cuz when u hit speed of light ur mass becomes infinite, as a result it would take infinite amount of force to move the object cuz force = mass * acceleration. |
Rules are made to be broken... Just like modern physics broke a few of the classic physics rules (Mass isn't constant, for example). a third generation of physics rules might break the current's rules
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mil0
Allright well i my as well give something worth while here.
allright now first thing you have to realize that acording to
E=MC2 energy is equal to mass constante from this you can also bring the conclusion that T=VC2 i.e. that Time is equal to Velocity constantly. ( you get this fromt he fact that the universe is constantly exspanding and at a constant rate which i will get to later on. That and the fact that there is no actual exsistance of time is is just a measurement made by man to count the ageing of organisms. Since it dosent exsist time cant be moved forword or backwords in becouse it simply isint there. But it is possible that if everything else is in motion and one individual thing is completly still (down to the electrons) i.e. -257 degs celcious you would be still in time well everything else would be moveing through time. So therefore you would be ageing at a different speed then the outside world. So if you were this object that was complelty frozen then you would be in suspended animation and could live forever prutty much becouse all other things are under the effects of motion well you arent. Which brings us to the plot which is that if this were to happen people could be put into suspended animation.
anyways im sure thats all very confusing and im not even sure if i understood it myself, hope you enjoy
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Just a small correction: It's -273.15 Celcius :p
I agree that biologically, time would stop for that body (Assuming each and every molecule in his body is @ 0 degrees Kelvin), I guess that's how they plan on inventing Cryogenic technology... |
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| DJPrototypeX |
| i know my chemisrty teacher had a great theory to what happens, but 2yrs later, i cant remember:p |
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| Acid Junkie |
| if tachyons are ever proven to exist, i'd just love to see the expression on scientists' faces when all of them are like... WTF??!??1?1! |
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| THE_Chris |
As far as I know you CANNOT reach absolute zero.
Quantum Mechanics states that the entire system would collapse into a Giant Matter Wave. If this happened in full, the uncertainty principle would be violated. Hence, it cannot happen.
They've cooled things to billionths of a degree above absolute zero by confining the particles inbetween various laser beams to 'squeeze' them together and effectivly slow their motion - decreasing their energy and thus lowering the temperature. You get all sorts of weird effects at those temperatures. Bose Einstein Condensation, particles falling out of the system, quantum tunnelling etc.
Its all pretty simple really. :) |
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| DJ Mil0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by oDrori
Just a small correction: It's -273.15 Celcius :p
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opps sorry my bad :D |
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