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The 90's vs. now
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| Taz |
It's 2003. In what ways has trance changed since the 90's? What's in, what's gotten old, what do you think is next?
Opinions plz!
(I'll post mine soon.) |
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| dj AmP |
| I think Trance has gotten harder, more complex, and for the most part better.. Or what we think is better. Like in the 90's we thought it was better then stuff in the 80's.. |
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| Taz |
hmm, perhaps that's subjective, but anything would be I suppose...
ok, my observations:
- Production values are punkier. Remember when trance used to be squeaky-clean and dry as a bone? Now there's tons of reverb, tons of compression on the whole mix, raw buzzy sounds and overall EQ like a guitar amp. :toocool: Lotsa mids!
- Less "909 for its own sake" and more varied drum sounds
- Improved basslines, not as much kick-BASS-kick-BASS action
- Speaking of kicks, am I the only one who thinks that the big compressed kick has gone way out of control lately?? It's gotten to the point where it drowns out good bass lines and it's all you can hear in half the venue. Enough already, it's just a 4-beat kick drum guys, there are better ways to give a track punch :whip: |
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| Haimoimoi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Taz
hmm, perhaps that's subjective, but anything would be I suppose...
- Speaking of kicks, am I the only one who thinks that the big compressed kick has gone way out of control lately?? It's gotten to the point where it drowns out good bass lines and it's all you can hear in half the venue. Enough already, it's just a 4-beat kick drum guys, there are better ways to give a track punch :whip: |
I totally agree. I got totally thrashed on an Epic trance tune that I recently tossed out for commentary. Now, I'm not a very good producer, but the number one criticism was about the kick not being overpowering enough. I find that confusing, I thought the idea with epic was to make sweeping moving parts, not drown everything out in a hard trance kick. |
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| Taz |
| quote: | | I thought the idea with epic was to make sweeping moving parts, not drown everything out in a hard trance kick. |
That's right, it's not like hard house or gabber.
A link to your track please? |
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| TranceInMySoul |
I think that tracks are more compressed, and more heavily limited than they used to be. End result is they sound louder than they did years ago.
For sure, less people use the off-beat bass, but things like that and (for example) two breaks instead of one are just what's fashionable aren't they? ;) |
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| Taz |
That's what this is about, what's fashinable not in terms of flavor-of-the-month but the direction of change.
anyone else? |
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| ktw |
I have to say, now people can disagree with me on this.
Trance has become extremely commercialised, and i'm not very impressed at all with all this 'female vocal trance' thats coming out nowadays.
Granted we now have the technology to layer vocals perfectly onto tunes so that they 'blend' instead of sounding out of place, but, what ever happened to...
...'letting the music speak for itself'?
Trance music by nature is supposed to send the listener into some kind of 'trance' or 'higher state'.
With all the female vocal tracks being forced into the limelight they are turning into 'songs' rather that trance tracks.
Give me,
#Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel,
#System F - Out Of The Blue,
#Gouryella - Gouryella,
#Westbam feat Red Jerry - Wizards OF The Sonic, Or
#Mauro Picotto....
... any day of the week.
It might just be me but didn't all this cheesy dance start with Miss 'Ian Van Dahl'.
Anyway thats my opion.....
Regard
KTW |
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| xls |
| quote: | Originally posted by ktw
I have to say, now people can disagree with me on this.
Trance has become extremely commercialised, and i'm not very impressed at all with all this 'female vocal trance' thats coming out nowadays.
Granted we now have the technology to layer vocals perfectly onto tunes so that they 'blend' instead of sounding out of place, but, what ever happened to...
...'letting the music speak for itself'?
Trance music by nature is supposed to send the listener into some kind of 'trance' or 'higher state'.
With all the female vocal tracks being forced into the limelight they are turning into 'songs' rather that trance tracks.
Give me,
#Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel,
#System F - Out Of The Blue,
#Gouryella - Gouryella,
#Westbam feat Red Jerry - Wizards OF The Sonic, Or
#Mauro Picotto....
... any day of the week.
It might just be me but didn't all this cheesy dance start with Miss 'Ian Van Dahl'.
Anyway thats my opion.....
Regard
KTW |
I agree 100%. The vast majority of this vocal trance is no better than your average Euro crap like DJ Sammy etc... |
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| TranceInMySoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by ktw
It might just be me but didn't all this cheesy dance start with Miss 'Ian Van Dahl'.
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Don't think so. I'd personally argue that commerical trance had its roots in the early 90's with acts like 2Unlimited and Culture Beat :) |
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| KilldaDJ |
its gotten less sinthy
i remember the early 90s 'dance' tracks, they were sinths n cheese beats
now its way more technical and complex |
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| sublimeaura |
i think that '98/99 was the classic year for trance.
When Lange was remixing like a muther******, and Ferry was sounding fresh and inspirational... not that he isn't now.. but back then it was breathtaking.. i remember when i first caught ears on Out Of The Blue and i was like WOAH thats AWESOME... then i heard him and Vincent De Moor on Carte Blanche when it was on Deal Records ( before Positiva got their dirty mits on it ), that was phenomenal.. there were songs that were really simple too that i really loved...
like Lost Witness - Happiness Happening ( Lange Remix ), Johnny SHaker - Pearl River, Friends of Matthew - Out There.. They were AWESOME.. still classics in my book... PVD - For an angel, sounded soo minimal at the side of a System F track but it has that sound that just still does it for me now.. 'sound of the time' almost feel.. love it.
i could sit here talkin bout all the tracks i loved back then hehe. but i wont hehe..
Trance today has become different. more compression. Its less sqeuaky clean, i mean look at Scot Project stuff etc etc.. his remix of Banging Globe sounds like its being played through a Marshall Valve guitar amp haha,, but it is what it says it is, Banging hehe. Trance is i guess a bit more experimental.. its producer's are doing different stuff. Armin's getting more gentle and progressive as Paul Van Dyk is playing Nu-NRG stuff etc etc hehe.. i think its just got a whole lot better in 2003. i love the fact that we have a diverse Trance scene.. sometimes i want progressive sometimes i want euphoric and uplifting, today's Trance scene lets me choose.. Although where I live in England, 'Trancefloors' have declined since 98', theyre still full of quality tuneage, thanks to our legendary friends from Holland... Dutch Trance in itself deserves a big ing thank you.
I'm glad that over the past year Trance is beginning to pick up again, as people get bored of this Ritzy cheesy child-like pop-trance that makes its way onto the Clubland compilations. I ing despise those tracks, old happy hardcore songs by Force and Styles - rehashed and remixed at 140 BPM for the masses.. with some cheapo synth lead line haha.. maybe Flip 'n' Flop should invest in some talent. or dignity.. they probably have put out underground bangers that i like, without me even knowing.. so im critiscing just the Flip n Fill .. haha.. it, theyre crap!
as for DJ Sammy, he needs a bullet. and MOS/Data, need to stop selling out, its diluting the club scene in England.. the fact that MOS are so influential on little clubs around the UK is terrible. Do these DJ's have ears for real music. Im not into this crappy 'lets be anologue and electro cos its new and cool!' type sound. Each lead line sounds the same to me... Benny Banassi - Satisfaction, and Fight Club's Spread Love sound just about identical in their lead lines.
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