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Tiesto's harmonies in recent remixes/productions...
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| [ groovypants ] |
To be quite honest, I could be put in the group of people who think " He's changed, Tiesto was better back in the days" BUT no one can deny he's sheer talent @ creating the most beautiful harmonies and melodies.
When it comes to trance music in general, people (most anyway) like a particular track because of the emotions/moods it creates - of course, the particular choice of feeling is up to listener - and the ones that appeal to me are feelings of melancholy and nostalgia, which what I've just realized - that alot of recent Tiesto stuff has plenty of!
He's remix of Faithfulness is mind blowing, that acid-like sound playing the main melody puts the track on the edge - fresh to my ears - yet still retaining a sense of the classic Tiesto harmony - dark and definitely melancholic with a nostalgic resolution. It's even Romantic to some extent.
Street Spirit, Flesh 2002, Never, and Nyana produces those feelings for me too - so I'm thinking, is there a particular technique on how he conjures up these harmonies i.e. the way he arranges those chords casue there must be some sort of link... or is it just the man himself. Pft, I then realized that the guy is just amazing. :P
I had alot of time to think cause I was on the train to work [1.5 hour travel]... and I obviously have a lot of time here @ work cause its so fookin boring. :toothless
Anyways this post isnt trivial, just something I'd like to share due to being soooo bored.
Comments anyone? :tongue3 |
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| The Master |
| he's the man, that's it. |
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| YaleTrance |
groovypants,
i knew you were one of the few select TAs here that has a clue about music in general from the moment you sent me John Tavener-The Lamb (where the melody of 3rd Earth is found). i agree completely with what you just said. Tiesto's in another league, his approach to harmonic/melodic progressions is simply mindblowing and extremely original. anyone who says anything to the contrary doesn't have a clue.
to answer your question, Tiesto's technique in musicmaking is based on creating music in terms of a process that emphasizes the subtleties of repetition leading up to a buildup and a breakdown in a linear way, which in turn can be linked to the minimalist philosophy of the 60s that has been extrapolated to dance music. his basslines always progress on a looping counterpoint drive against the melody, creating that warm and deep effect that you're talking about. the way the harmony progresses and the melody is looped is done with taste and uniqueness, characteristics that most electronic music producers miserably lack. i would also agree that his recent productions are even more incredible than his works of the past, because he has perfected his style and the advances of technology have enabled him to do things that weren't possible back in the day. Traffic is also a fine example of this approach to musicmaking.
but yeah, the true answer is that this man is a genius. there's not much else to say. |
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| Asperge |
| You always say that in such a good way Yaletrance and actually I kind of agree with it:D |
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| Clyde77 |
| we need to get tieso to register on here:D |
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| slim |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clyde77
we need to get tieso to register on here:D |
I have a feeling that will never happen |
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| CarlosM |
| yes!!... I think the same... He or the producers that are behind his name are great... i also see that they/he uses a lot changes from major to minor notes in their melodic tracks.. what produces melancolic and emotional feelings imo |
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| [ groovypants ] |
Ahhhh, detailed and concise as always YaleTrance ;)
Its only natural, both of us being dedicated classical music fans - I mean who else on the boards could name the top 20 conductors of the world and for which orchestral they play for! :happy2:
In terms of technique though, I was more reffering to a "standard" I guess. Hmmm how should I put it... the sound of how those harmoic chords progress and resolute - is there a particular name for it. A standard or method as in, for example, Pentatonic scale where only 5 different chords/notes are aloud - thats why oriental music sound that way for those who didn't know. Tiesto's harmonies [and alot of other trance producers in fact], have similar patterns to those of early Romantic, Baroque, and ESPECIALLY Gegorian(sp?) chant.
For example: A typical passage from Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata - that simple melodic feeling and it's resolution. Alot of people refer to such a melodic line as "uplifting" but there must be a more technical term for it?
Indeed Traffic is a fine example, but I find it too evil for me :eek: the texture freakin scary hehe... |
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| Haak |
| ok tiesto has got some good harmonies, but if anyone knows harmonies, it's Mike. take a listen to Musix - Forgotten, the breakdown, now that's emotional |
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| Nell |
im with haak on that one!
and yaletrance, can you stop giving the same message across in all of your posts of "its my way or the high way", i dont like tiestos new stuff, i think is sux tbh, dosent mean i dont have a clue at all!? In fact, it means i have an opinion and im not jumping on the first bandwaggon that goes past. i dont like it simply cos it has no appeal to ME, and i don't fins his stuff very original at all. imo its been approached that same way millions of times, the only reason you see it is original is because tiesto is the only big name doing it that way, and because of that hes the only one you have heard.
anyway, i think MIKE is probably the best example yet. |
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| Teknoscaper. |
haha ok then?
I'll take your word for it... :nervous: |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nell
im with haak on that one!
and yaletrance, can you stop giving the same message across in all of your posts of "its my way or the high way", i dont like tiestos new stuff, i think is sux tbh, dosent mean i dont have a clue at all!? In fact, it means i have an opinion and im not jumping on the first bandwaggon that goes past. i dont like it simply cos it has no appeal to ME, and i don't fins his stuff very original at all. imo its been approached that same way millions of times, the only reason you see it is original is because tiesto is the only big name doing it that way, and because of that hes the only one you have heard.
anyway, i think MIKE is probably the best example yet. |
you sure have a right to your opinion, i couldn't care less if you don't like tiesto's new stuff.
what has been approached millions of times the same way? After over 6 years of listening to trance Tiesto's not the only dj I've heard, wtf. I lived in Holland :D i even saw MIKE live, which was great, but that doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about here.
if you don't understand music theory then how can you say whether it's been done before or not? do you really know what we're talking about?
musicology is my life, it's what i study. no need to get offended because i praise the dj that most of the "elite" here likes to hate on. now that's the only bandwagon i know about ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by [ groovypants ]
Ahhhh, detailed and concise as always YaleTrance ;)
Its only natural, both of us being dedicated classical music fans - I mean who else on the boards could name the top 20 conductors of the world and for which orchestral they play for! :happy2:
In terms of technique though, I was more reffering to a "standard" I guess. Hmmm how should I put it... the sound of how those harmoic chords progress and resolute - is there a particular name for it. A standard or method as in, for example, Pentatonic scale where only 5 different chords/notes are aloud - thats why oriental music sound that way for those who didn't know. Tiesto's harmonies [and alot of other trance producers in fact], have similar patterns to those of early Romantic, Baroque, and ESPECIALLY Gegorian(sp?) chant.
For example: A typical passage from Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata - that simple melodic feeling and it's resolution. Alot of people refer to such a melodic line as "uplifting" but there must be a more technical term for it?
Indeed Traffic is a fine example, but I find it too evil for me :eek: the texture freakin scary hehe... |
ah, i know what you mean. but in my opinion, i don't think tiesto follows any traditional harmonic patterns at all, so i don't think i would name it anything. Some of his earlier stuff was easy to catalogue as modal music as in the Gregorian chants you mentioned, but I don't think that really applies any longer. from a more modernist perspective, all i can say is that the chords progress and resolute in some really interesting counterpoint, which could sound similar and heavily influenced by those patterns you mentioned but rarely, if ever, follow the strict rules that would apply in the old-school ways of producing harmonies. this is why the buildups and breakdowns in (good) trance remind me of classical minimalism more than anything else. Composers such as John Adams and Phillip Glass use a process in harmonization through repetition and layering rather than any patterns, giving the music more flexibility than what was previously possible when restricted by the classical harmonic pattern rules. I believe Tiesto uses a process rather than a formulaic pattern as well, which is why for me his music has an edge over other trance composers.
anyways, i would like to sit down some day in the piano and figure out for real what's going on. i'm talking out of my ear, but if time allows, i would like to use further concrete evidence to further prove/disprove what we're talking about here. Cheers! |
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