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| 'mju:zik |
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A Palestinian gunman shot dead a two-month-old baby girl and a man who opened the door to him at a Jewish settlement in the West Bank on Friday as Israelis celebrated the Jewish New Year.
oh yea Israel should definately go easy on them. |
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| rizen |
| ...and the cycle of terrorism continues :( |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| I wonder what sort of a mindset a person needs to have to be capable of doing such things. |
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| Galapidate |
| Not just killing, but killing a child! Damn :whip: |
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| Arafuct |
| quote: | Originally posted by rizen
...and the cycle of terrorism continues :( |
I see no cycle here my friend. |
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| TranceGiant |
| happy new year..... |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arafuct
I see no cycle here my friend. |
what would you cal it then? |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Not just killing, but killing a child! Damn :whip: |
the IDF might kill kids sometimes by accident as collateral damage of attacks on militants but all you opposing the IDF please tell me when they go up to Palestinian 2 month old children and shoot them on purpose. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arafuct
I see no cycle here my friend. |
you rock!:D |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
the IDF might kill kids sometimes by accident as collateral damage of attacks on militants but all you opposing the IDF please tell me when they go up to Palestinian 2 month old children and shoot them on purpose. |
theyre answer will be: israelies are evil and sharon is evil!
where is cyrus and his friends to say:*in a high tone voice*israel kills palastinians,the palastinians are poor,settelers are not humans and bla bla bla...:whip: |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
the IDF might kill kids sometimes by accident as collateral damage of attacks on militants but all you opposing the IDF please tell me when they go up to Palestinian 2 month old children and shoot them on purpose. |
I think you've mistaken my stance on the Middle East. I am pro-Israel. |
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| Palestinian |
Hi guys. It's been a while cause I'm now in third year university and the work is overwhelming so I won't be posting much. Anyway, I'de like to address a few arguements made the last time I posted.
Resolution 242
Nature of the Settlements
Deportation
Resolution 242 states:
(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Basically you could say first Israel has to withdraw and then there will be security, or you can say first security then withdrawal but I don't see any sense in that since Palestinian have no security with the occupation. And if you read the top of 242, it says:
"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security"
The occupation is clearly illegal and security is not a condition for an end to occupation, but a co-requisite. Israel does not have any right to "administer the territories". I have heard that 242 was deliberately written in a vague manner so both sides can interpret it differently. And it was the US who made sure it was written that way.
Yes, Jews have lived in Gaza and the West Bank since ancient times. They were there during Ottoman rule and considered themselves Arabs. Some Arab Jews in Palestine rejected Zionism, one of them being my friend and president of Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights, the organization I work with. When I mentioned the settlers, I didn�t mean that Jews shouldn�t live there. I think they should be allowed to live there, but I�m talking specifically about the settlers, not just any Jews.
You see, the nature of the settlements is stolen land; private and public properties never paid for. The Arabs in Israel live on the land under the Israeli state, but the settlers in the West Bank and Gaza took the land by confiscation of property, even destruction of Palestinian property and then confiscation of the land. Moreover, if the settlers are willing to stay, they should be under the legal jurisdiction of the Palestinian government, not under the Israeli government when they�re in a different country. There should also be equality on that land. During the occupation, Israel confiscates the land and preserves it for settlers calling it a special for Jews only land. These settlements also lie on the best of the land, parts than can easily tap resources. The settlements also take up most of the water, with swimming pools while Palestinians become desperate for water.
Think of this analogy. The US sends its military into Canada, destroys a couple of farms and builds a US compound on top with US security. Canadians would lose their mind. On the other hand, if US citizens came to live in Canada under the Canadian state then that�s obviously different and this is what happens. Now considering the occupied territories� size, the amount that has been confiscated is overwhelming. Settlements are also used as a strategy as I implied previously. This way Israel will annex the land the settlements are in (making that land part of Israel) under the pretext of security (the wall is also making this easy to accomplish). Settlements are a big reason for the occupation. This is why many Israelis who support us call the occupation �the war of the settlements� as I stated before. If you�re against the settlements i.e. Viber, then you aren�t very far from understanding the true colors of the occupation and Sharon�s intentions.
As for deportations, let the UN speak:
22. SC Resolution 694 (1991) of 24 May 1991 [Adopted at 2989th meeting - unanimously]
Declares that the action of the Israeli authorities of deporting four Palestinians on 18 May is in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which is applicable to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem; and deplores this action and reiterates that Israel refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the occupied territories and ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported.
23. SC Resolution 726 (1992) of 6 January 1992 [Adopted at 3026th meeting - unanimously]
Strongly condemns the decision of Israel, the occupying Power, to resume deportation of Palestinian civilians; reaffirms the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem; and requests Israel to ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported.
24. SC Resolution 799 (1992) of 18 December 1992 [Adopted at 3151st meeting-unanimously]
Strongly condemns the action taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to deport hundreds of Palestinian civilians (on 17 December 1992); expresses its firm opposition to any such deportations by Israel; reaffirms the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention; and demands that Israel ensure the safe and immediate return to the occupied territories of all those deported.
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