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I DON'T regret buying turntables instead of CD-decks...after reading these opinions! (pg. 3)
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| Omegasox |
Oh, one other thing. I look at it this way. There are two kind of people who have CD Decks - those who have connections and get promo CD-Rs, and those who spin all mp3's burnt onto disc.
So as I said, unless you have the connections to get CD-Rs from the producer, I don't see the point of getting CD Decks. The only reason I've been tempted to get them is to back up my vinyl on CD and to spin tracks from the amateur production forum after receiving consent from the producer. |
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| roosh |
| I recently bought CD decks. I couldn't find a clear advantage that turntables have over CD decks. |
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| Freak |
I have had stuff sent through on CDR and white label from promo agencies months and months and months before a release date is set-sometimes before its even signed to a label and its still on white or unnamed...
Majority is vinyl.
just because you cant find it on vinyl- doesnt mean it doesnt exist on vinyl.....
vinyl hunting is an art form and an addiction- i personally play 95% vinyl in a night.
All down to personal preference
Ill very occasionally download and play it if i havent been sent it yet and its in demand or there is a mix i havent been sent...but as soon as its out i will buy it or it will be sent to me in due course.
Downloading then playing out and not at some point owning the copyright is a little bit rude really.........makes you a leech and does noone any favours.
Anyway- its not all new up to the minute stuff you have to play out- a good tune and a floor filler will work regardless of age in the right context and atmosphere. |
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| bachatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
I seem to recal that Jose Amnesia - The Eternal is a little on the old side? (Might be a new mix, but I recal seeing that version around for a while too).
What you are saying is not strictly true. I do this for a living and I am signed up to several promo agencies. The majority of stuff I get sent is complete crap for starters. The majority of what I get is also in vinyl. It is only the top 50 or so DJs in the country/scene who will get anything worth playing in most cases and they will get them on the format they request.
When you sign up to a promo agency they actually ask you what your prefered format is.
What you also seem to forget is that a lot of DJs spend a lot of time tracking down tracks that will make them come across as being unique. There is status in having a hard to find track because people will associate you with that track. That's part of what DJing is about.
I'm not sure where you are getting this impression but I more often than not hear the arguement in reverse i.e. DJs who wish they had TTs instead as they can't get hold of CDs. Even seen it on the TA forums.
When I work I must say that I very rarely see a DJ who just uses CDs, most of the guys I work with will use mostly or completely vinyl.
Why not play both vinyl and CDs to make yourself have more options?
And even if CD promos were to come out before vinyl would you have any greater chance of getting hold of one?
With regards to playing MP3s acquired on the net and burnt to CDs in clubs, that's a big no no. Clubs will freak as it puts them at risk with regards to their public performance license.
It's wrong to say that people also just expect new tracks when clubbing. Most times it's us DJs who put this pressure on other DJs not the average clubber. I play older tracks alongside newer ones, but then define old and new. Is something old just because Corsten has been playing it for three months. Perhaps, but I think the answer is no. It may only be him and a hand full of top DJs who have the track so unless someone actually heard him play, most people who are not as deeply interested in the trance scene will not have heard it. Even when the white label is released for us lesser mortals. Some songs are years old before they get released.
People expect to be entertained when they go to a club, they want to have a good time. Sometimes that will involve cutting edge trance, sometimes the older stuff works better. A crowd pleaser is a crowd pleaser regardless of age. Most clubbers wont even notice as they are actually there to have a good time and not see you.
A good DJ can have quite average records and work them in a way that they sound better than they are just buy putting them together well.
DJing is a lot more than just having the latest music my friend. Although I feel your frustration with the availability of some stuff, you have decks and vinyl... what could be more fun? Well.. appart from perhaps being Monica Belucci's nipple tweaker? ;)
Best of luck either way
Cheers
Nem |
I agree with Nemisis...
Sup Evan,
I see your concern, but if you want to move ahead from bedroom mixing, cd decks alone wont do it. They can come in handy in situations where you have difficulty getting a particular tune. However, keep in mind that the bedroom is the bedroom and when you hit a club or venue, its different. Like already mentioned, in a big sound system the mp3 format quality is noticeable. Like also mentioned, promoters and owners, managers wont approve you playing burned cds... its something they arent cool with, which its understandable (they have their responsibilities)... Ive yet to see where a dance club play most cds (only place was like a top forties place).
Ive played at a local venue where they didnt even have any cd players and everyone played what they are accustomed to playing, vinyl.
When it comes down to it, getting you success wont come from a new promos you have on a mix, it will come from constant work, work and work. Getting your contacts, your name out there...
That is true that us djs put that pressure on each other to play the new tracks... no one wants to be targeted or known as a DJ who plays old tracks. However, keep in mind that we listen to tons of tracks that other ppl dont ever know. Now, for example.. especially here in the States and with Trance... you can spin a combination of vinyl--classics and new and most ppl wont even tell the difference. They will tell if they like track or not, but majority of clubbers and listeners arent critics to the music like siskel & ebert at the movies.
Most of the time, try not to care of what others play, as just try to play what you like and think suits your style of djing. If you noticed a track or two some other ppl played, who cares... what will stand out is how you incorporate that into your own mixes and sets.
You shouldnt regret getting TTs.. as many ppl everywhere in the world would die for tts, especially the 1200s :D
Ricky |
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| benfica88 |
| I'm not trying to predict anything but eventually vynils will go, maybe soon, maybe later. It's just the way technology works. And there's always that time frame trangression where certain people won't accept the new technology no matter what. |
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| conk |
Personally, I have two Gemini decks right now (getting Techs for Christmas) and the number one reason I want CDJs (my next purchase after Techs) is that I'll have such a wider selection of music to play. First of all, I'm a broke high school student that cringes at even paying internation shipping fees, the only way I'll buy a vinyl is if its already in the US or if I do a large (10 or more) vinyl haul from overseas to save me on shipping. But more than anything, I feel like without being able to play the tracks that I have downloaded, my sets suffer. True, they're MP3s that are far from the quality of the original, but the truth of the matter is that having burnt CD-Rs can greatly expand your personal style and your sets into something much bigger. I've yet to hear any conclusive proof that MP3s sound bad in clubs, there have been several threads asking about this and the answer was a resounding "they're fine". Besides, I want to start producing eventually and including my own songs in my mixes (this is how I think I'll get noticed quicker than anything else) and so if I want to do this, I'm obligated to burn these tunes to CD-R.
In fact, it is common practice for many producers to produce a tune, save it as an MP3, send it off to a couple friends, then have it played out that very night.
As GTR said: "Although a lot of the music industry hate mp3s, I think they’re great. For example, I’ve finished tracks off on a Friday afternoon, sent an mp3 across to my friend and Godskitchen resident Jon O’Bir, and he’s burnt them to CD and played them at CODE that very night! How could you have done that a few years ago?" |
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| DJ Kibon |
Random idea relating to MP3 tracks being used for sets.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could go online and BUY pretty much any track you wanted? These tracks would be at a discounted price compared to vinyl, and would be immediately available for download once paid for.
I'm not sure how much vinyl to press per record, but you could easily knock the distributor out of the picture, as well as your retailer. So the various artists could potentially see more money out of each track. When I say "more money", I'm referring to the fact that there is a ton of vinyl that I would like to buy, but CAN'T because of the damned limited edition runs.
All that's missing to make this work is a format which prevents the tracks from being readily copied across the 'net. |
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| Narcissus |
| I think it's best to get final scratch. I can't afford to spend money on every tunes especially some that i wouldnt' cosider a keeper. Best to get final scratch to play your tunes and if you really like a record then buy them. I would have bought final scratch if only i knew how to install one. :conf: |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by las3rjock
It not the tracks, but what you do with them, that set a DJ apart. |
wrong, the dj is only as good as the tracks he plays (i think sasha said that) and its true. |
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| Xone62 |
Blame the record industries for being too slow then . That's the reason why I been mixing on CDs because as a beginner I had to keep myself from being bored to death with the same old tracks for months and months. I also have many mp3 tracks that sound way better than some of the vinyls I have. Vinyls come ty recording sometimes too. Don't hate on CDs because I used to go to Spundae every weekend and saw almost every DJ used CDs there. From local DJs to PVD, Fleming, Sasha, etc... they all used CDs. I love CDs for the technology but i must admit vinyls are fun to mix :)
Annon you're right man vinyl sucks at home man. CDs are better at home. It keeps you from killing your self with listening the same old tracks over and over. And if they say CDs are not as good recording as vinyls, I can't tell the difference after i recorded my mix using both.
Keep in mind new tracks are what drive you. |
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| Rememberence_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Evan Almae
HHAHAHHAHHA, are you even paying attention to TODAY's music industry? Not all tracks are pressed and given to Dj's as promos first. They begin by sending them a "CD" with the song on it. Thats why clubs are incorporating cd-decks as industry standards. IE: 90% of the tracks Armin plays on his show are CD-R's. They might be signed to a label or might not be, and some are up and commers and just want Armin to play there song. But the fact is they mostly are on CD-R. Its commone sense nowadays. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Flesch
Dude, I think that you need to stop freaking out and enjoy what you bought in the first place. I don't know what all of this nonsence is about not being able to get all the "fresh" tracks, but I have had two or three of those tracks for about a week now. You just posted this msg yesterday--and my shipping was international (not fast etc.). Maybe you just don't have the know-how to find them? Or maybe you don't know where to look for the release of those particular tracks? I don't know. If you didn't know this before, then maybe it's because different remixes are put out on different labels with some artists.
And as Prodigy Child stated above, how do you know that the djs who are spinning professionaly aren't getting promos/white labels that you aren't. How do you know that they aren't on the elite list and get sent great tracks--or know someone who does. How do you know that since they are spinning on a decently listened to internet radio, that the labels don't send them tracks to spin for promotion?
My point is that you don't. As a dj, bedroom or otherwise, you of course are more current on what tracks are new and which ones aren't than the typical layman. But this doesn't mean that you have the inside scoop that the top DJs do. They get tracks that are not going to be released for months, if ever. Point in fact North Pole - South Pole was being played by a lot of the elite close to three months before the official release date. Then it trickled down to a lot of other DJs, then finally it was released to where I could buy it.
The thing is, it is all sold on vinyl. That is how you get the best tracks the quickest. True, you may be able to pirate some tracks earlier than the release date, but real DJs won't be the ones to play them. They don't have to because they have the original on the vinyl that was sent to them. Enjoy what you have, and face the reality of what it means to not be the best dj in the world as well as be short on funds. All of us have been there. |
I only bothered reading the first one and a half pages of this thread... Flesch said everything I was thinking of saying and I fully agree with him. Admittedly I do find myself slightly biased when Almae starts his posts with "HAHAHAHAHA" :stongue:
as in it weaken's whatever argument he could scrape together in the first place |
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| TranzAddict |
today i get my new cd deck... and i already have one turntable...im barely beginning so do u think this is okay..
ill put the turntable on the right and the cd deck on the left and of course the mixer in the middle...
that way i can play my cd's and still play and mix with vinyl..
so yeah!!:eyespop: |
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