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Mixing during breaks?
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| roosh |
| A DJ friend of mine said that you should NOT mix in a song during a break. He didn't say really why, but we both watched a sucky DJ who simply mixed during breaks, and didn't beatmatch at all. When are there exceptions? Thoughts? |
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| T:REBEL |
Mixing during breakdowns are like vibe-killers.
Once in a long while, with a lot of practice, you could sneak one in.
Think of it this way...
You're taking a hot shower with your eyes closed and you're letting the water fall onto your face. Suddenly your hot water turns to cold water.
:eyespop:
Comprende? |
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| conk |
| Oaky does it quite a bit on his albums, I think its fine if the tunes go well together and you don't do it too often. Some of the fade transitions on Great Wall are so seamless you really have to be listening to hear them... |
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| Arsalan |
| quote: | Originally posted by conk
Oaky does it quite a bit on his albums, I think its fine if the tunes go well together and you don't do it too often. Some of the fade transitions on Great Wall are so seamless you really have to be listening to hear them... |
oakey's transitions are sometimes way too perfect. |
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| Omegasox |
| It all depends on what tunes you're mixing. If they have a similar sound, or just go well together overall, there's nothing wrong with mixing during a break. The times that you shouldn't are when you're mixing two songs that aren't very similar and you can easily tell a different tune is being played once the bassline hits. |
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| joeh |
I've tried it a few time.. ends up a bit crappy usually.
no point IMO. (though i guess it is track dependant) |
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| vaes |
| i saw carl cox doing it once right when the first beat of the climax came he trew in another songs climax, so it's possible you mix on breakes but then you have to do it wen you've practiced enough. |
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| raaven |
i do this every once and a while. or mix over breakdowns and keep 'em going. both tracks have to be perfectly (or pretty damn closely) beatmatched and aligned for it to work well.
if done properly it sounds amazing. or actually just mixing two breakdowns into each other. or go from one to another but you really have to know your tracks to do that well.
i like thinkin outside the box. doing things differently makes life and dj'ing iteresting.
just my $0.02
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| sykadelik |
| If ur mixing goa/psy its sometimes call to mix outros into intros... |
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| Nemesis44 |
Here is an extract of a guide that I wrote for some kiddies I was teaching to DJ. Hope it might make things a little clearer. Althought it's only my opinion I find this to be true.
BREAKS, BREAKDOWNS AND ENERGY CONTROL
This seems to be quite a common question on the forum. Especially with regards to energy control. This section will talk more in regards to the placement of the mix and not key, although later we will discuss that too as it is relevant.
Let’s define a Break and a Breakdown a talk about the do’s and don’ts.
BREAKDOWN – This is the big hands in the air section that is so common in trance music. This is a specific piece of music designed to create emotion etc. and is not suitable for mixing into or out of. (There will always be exceptions but as a general rule).
BREAK – This is a segment of music where the song calms down in order to gather new energy by literally almost starting again. This usually comes after the Beefy beat section of the main melody just before a song is getting ready for it’s second breakdown. The break is a point where a song can loose energy and for those DJs who want to keep that energy pumping this is important.
If we are going to think of it in terms of the whole picture we may want to look at the typical structure of a trance track.
Intro / Build up / Breakdown 1 / Main Melody / Break / Breakdown 2 / Main Melody / Outro
You can actually read this from the record too. Although it is worth mentioning that there are quite a few different variations of this as not all songs have two breakdowns and in those cases probably wont have a break at all. Then there are other variations too but this is pretty bog standard.
It’s worth noting that some records keep high energy levels during the break too and you don’t need to mess with it. Others may not have a break or a suitable one for mixing out of.
The other thing to keep in your head is to not feel you have to do the mix if you are not ready for it, as there are other ways you can regain the energy at later stages.
What types of basic mixes do we have?
First there is the ‘long player’, the guy who plays the whole song through and just mixes intro with outro. Very common in DJs who have just started. There is nothing wrong with this mix, it will work fine in most scenarios but you are leaving yourself at the mercy of the music a little as it’s making the decisions with regards to energy.
Second you have the more ‘constant’ energy level guy. This guy will mix so that the build of the incoming track starts just as the 2nd main melody finishes. There is nothing wrong with doing this way. If you combine this with harmonic mixing you can still get some very powerful energy effects.
Third and finally, you have the guy that gives that ‘rising’ energy feel. There is always something new on the go. This is the guy that mixes out of the break so that the crowd never gets the chance to settle into any one song. (This mix isn’t really that useful for the more proggy music as it has to play to develop). If you use cuts and harmonics with this you can send the place going nuts.
It’s good to remember that there is a time and place for all of these mixes. If the club has just opened, there is really no point in tearing the dancefloor up with high energy as there is hardly anyone on it etc.
When mixing always think does this sound like the producer might have done this? Try and use the music to your advantage and don’t fight it. If you are in the main bit of a trance track, let it finish. Chances are that it would sound terrible if you interfered with it. Part of DJing is also about recognizing when you should mix, not just how well you beat match.
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Raavens statment is however so true "i like thinkin outside the box. doing things differently makes life and dj'ing iteresting". If none of us did this then it would be pretty boring.
I hope that makes sense
cheers
Nem |
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| razzi |
| yo nem great breakdown of the issue. pun intended hhaha i have mixed the tune of one track into the beat of another to go straight to the breakdown of the next track to keep energy going. this works pretty well to keep crowds going. but of course, its all about how you do it, and keeping things interesting :) |
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| DJErnieP |
| oaky sucks. all his is mixed on the comp. None of it is live. dont fool yourselves, hes nothing but one big sell out. |
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