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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I would completely agree with you, except I can't. I used to love trance. I used to love what it did to me. But everything that's come out in the last 4-5 years keeps pushing me away. I keep hoping this pompous, hands-in-the-air, overblown anthem would go away like a smelly fart that ruins the party, but its not. In fact, it just keeps getting worse. It honestly makes me nauseous and sick to my stomach when I hear it now. You call it uplifting? I call it insulting.
I always get the image now of trance producers in the studio listening to their over-the-top epics, and exclaiming "NO! I want it BIGGER! FULLER! GRANDER! I want this to be the most highest, most exalted, most extravangant trance song of all time!" And each of them try to outdo each other, try to make each of their tracks more skyreaching than last week's chart topper.
I have watched this music sell itself completely down the river long enough. This music is sick, people. And it is betraying the beautiful artform of trance. It is the musical equivalent of tracking mud all over your house. What the hell am I supposed to do?
CAN'T ANYONE SUGGEST SOME GOOD ING TRANCE FOR ONCE?!?!?! |
i agree with that statement 10000000%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%......since early 2002 to today atleast to me it has been anthems.... |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
Why don't you make a start and give us a lecture about how "trance" should sound like. With examples. |
okay, done. Now what do I do? |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
and a classic is a tune that represents a time in the evolution of trance that made a statement in the scene....so Airwave is by far a Classic |
Airwave is just another anthem. It's "wall-to-wall" sound can be found in earlier tracks like El Nino. It didn't evolve or introduce anything. It's production values are trite and derivative, and it's exuberance is revolting.
When I first heard it, I was like okay, I get it already, trance song. off. I don't need you to tell me when to dance, when to cheer, and when to raise my arms in the air in ecstatic bliss. I'm quite capable of listening to the changes and doing that myself. Please stop hitting me over the head with your insipid faux-grandeur. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Airwave is just another anthem. It's "wall-to-wall" sound can be found in earlier tracks like El Nino. It didn't evolve or introduce anything. It's production values are trite and derivative, and it's exuberance is revolting.
When I first heard it, I was like okay, I get it already, trance song. off. I don't need you to tell me when to dance, when to cheer, and when to raise my arms in the air in ecstatic bliss. I'm quite capable of listening to the changes and doing that myself. Please stop hitting me over the head with your insipid faux-grandeur. |
LOL....i think u read entirely too much into it.... |
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| whiskers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
When I first heard it, I was like okay, I get it already, trance song. off. I don't need you to tell me when to dance, when to cheer, and when to raise my arms in the air in ecstatic bliss. I'm quite capable of listening to the changes and doing that myself. Please stop hitting me over the head with your insipid faux-grandeur. |
one question: are goa / psy your favorite genres? |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
okay, done. Now what do I do? |
tell me where |
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| paranoik0 |
well.. in my opinion uplifting, epic and 'anthem trance' like Ishkur says are pretty much the same thing. I only thought of epic trance as tunes a little bit more linked to classical music, like Ferry's mix of Adagio for Strings or Gouryella's Ligaya, but dunno if that's totally correct.
so you pretty much think that all of uplifting/epic/anthem is . well that's an opinion. but what got people here more pissed off is the division between 'epic' and 'not trance'. it'd make a little bit more sense if they were all in the same category, and it'd make a lot more sense if those tracks swapped categories. Everyone here recognises Alice Deejay and Ian van Dahl as cheesy crap while System F and Rank 1 would be epic trance. You may think of them all as the same bunch of crap but dividing them this way may give the idea that Alice Deejay is better than System F. Got it?
perhaps we're getting a little bit too anal about subgenre details, but that way any stupid newbie that reads the guide can become pretty confused
about 'ing good trance', well, that depends on your tastes. 1995 trance doesn't exist anymore, it evolved to several subgenres, being the genre you hate the most popular. i personally enjoy progressive trance with a bit of a dark side, like
Musix - Turn the Page
The Gift - Love Angel (M.I.K.E Remix) -> I see you qualified the main mix as 'really bad', well I like it as well but this is completely different
Planisphere - NYE
not trying to change anyone's tastes..
to tiesto14: i'd say voyage is a hybrid between 'our' anthem trance and psy |
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| diffusion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zenchowdah
ok
*deep breath*
STUPID FUGGITY-ASS IN Y ASS SLAPPER BITCH SHIZZIN-FIZZIN-FAZZER-NIZZIT ZOMBIE NATION SUCKS AND IS ALSO AN EXPONENTIAL FORM OF THE AFOREMENTIONED!!
*pantpantpant*
bitch. :p |
Word.
ZOMBIE NATION IS NOT A GOOD TUNE!
IT ING SUCKS!
I always hated that bull! |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
one question: are goa / psy your favorite genres? |
Actually no. I like *some* goa. But I'm extremely picky and can't accurately describe what I particularly like or dislike about it. I just know what I like when I hear it. It might have something to do with the fact that I absolutely despise the culture that goes with it. I'd probably be into psy more if it didn't exist. Goa would be a great genre if it weren't for all the ing hippies. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
tell me where |
ohhhhh...it's around here, somewhere. You're a big boy, I'm sure you can find it. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
so you pretty much think that all of uplifting/epic/anthem is . well that's an opinion. but what got people here more pissed off is the division between 'epic' and 'not trance'. it'd make a little bit more sense if they were all in the same category, and it'd make a lot more sense if those tracks swapped categories.
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In actual fact, I see no discrepancy either. Anthem is anthem is anthem to me. I dislike how you people categorize an anthem based on how it makes you feel ie: if its floaty and light-hearted you'll call it Emotional Trance or Angelic Trance...and then if it's hard and pulsing you'd call it Power Trance or whatever....the number of names you people come up with to describe the mood a track puts you in is silly, to say the least.
But there's a reason I put those 3 genres there. Anthem Trance is anything that fits the breakdown-build-anthem formula. The one producer who's probably exploited the Anthem cookie cutter template the most is Transa. Every song is exactly the same, except for the chorus fanfare everyone is waiting for. The way I have categorized it, it's the (relatively) harder and more driving side of the mold.
Epic Trance is the same as Anthem Trance, and to nitpick the difference between the two is not really necessary, but there's a conscientious reason why I did it. Epic Trance means to me Anthem Trance that has gotten way worse (I guess your "uplifting", so to speak). At least Anthem Trance was somewhat tolerable, if predictable. Epic is just gagging. It is the floaty and angelic side of the mold. From a technical side of things, Epic employs 16th notes in its cutesy melodies, and vocals. Not just any vocals, but really BAD vocals. Hence why I included Alice Deejay and Ian van Dahl there. That represents the worst of the worst of Epic Trance. I should put DJ Sammy there too, but I found a much more deserving fate for him: Epic House.
"NOT Trance", as I cheekily call it, is more Anthem than Epic, and it represents the worst of the worst. Essentially its any track trying to recreate Out of the Blue without pretending to know that it's ripping it off. I hate it when there's a new musical sound that's discovered, and everybody dotes on it like that. They're just capitalizing on the trend for a quick buck, and you fools are falling for it.
Also, I really hate breakdowns. Why are they even there? A lot of tracks I really like up until the breakdown. Gouryella is a perfect example. What a kickass, awesome track up until 2:45 in the song. Everything after that is ruined by an unnecessarily long breakdown, and a bloated, shmaltzy anthem. Damn it, Ferry!!! Why did you have to go and ruin a good trance track like that?
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Everyone here recognises Alice Deejay and Ian van Dahl as cheesy crap while System F and Rank 1 would be epic trance. You may think of them all as the same bunch of crap but dividing them this way may give the idea that Alice Deejay is better than System F. Got it?
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Well, see, this is where we differ. To me, they're ALL cheesy crap. In fact, I would say that System F/Rank 1 are cheesies. I can stomach Alice Deejay before Rank 1. At least Better Off Alone doesn't have me impatiently tapping my foot and checking my watch all the time (get on with it already!!! It's been two bloody minutes! Where the is the beat and the lead synth!??!?).
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perhaps we're getting a little bit too anal about subgenre details, but that way any stupid newbie that reads the guide can become pretty confused
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Well well well. You're afraid that newbies might become corrupted by the strong opinions of my guide? Well how do you think I feel? Your chees-o-matic trance factory scene has been devouring newbies for 5 years, and now there's no good trance anymore. Thanks a lot.
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not trying to change anyone's tastes..
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Not that anyone left has any taste worth changing. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Well, see, this is where we differ. To me, they're ALL cheesy crap. |
I just didn't understand one thing: if they're all the same cheesy crap, why divide in two categories? |
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