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about my new turntables
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| Well, today I bought my new turntables. I began tu use it and Inoticed that one turntable has smoother scratch than the other. I think that the plate is the one thath make the diference but I don't know why. please tell me why the scratch is smoother in one and no in the other. |
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| DJ LIQUID |
| first off what kind of turntables are u using??? Technics..Numark..Denon....Stanton...Gemini...?? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by DJ LIQUID
first off what kind of turntables are u using??? Technics..Numark..Denon....Stanton...Gemini...?? |
I'm working with the Gemini PT-2410, I really don't know if it's the record or the slipmat.
I also have a doubt about the the tonearm weight.
I don't know which weight i have to put to my tonearm. do I have to rotate all the weight or only a littel bit.
please give me tips for keep my turntable, records and crtdriges in the best conditions |
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| Cosmo K |
It could be your needles, or pickup... you've got to know whether they're designed for scratching or not. One of the pickups could be in better shape than the other, if they're not 'that' new.
Using a slipmat does make a difference to. *Always* use slipmats if you are gonna scratch, and if you're gonna get some (with a design), get rather impregnated slipmats rather than ones which have been 'painted'. It does make a slight difference on your lifespan of your more-precious-than-mommy vinyl. There tends to be a smoother spin on these slipmats.
Instead of adjusting your tonearm too much, I would recommend trying the old trick of putting a small coin on top of the pickup (and taping it!). Everyone knows that if you scratch (or even apply more torque\weight), your vinyl 'wears out' faster. So using the coin will do so, but at least it focuses the weight closer to where you want it to be. Otherwise, the usual weight adjustments will only alloy the weight to be evenly displaced along the tonearm, which is not exactly the place we want it if we want to keep the needle from skipping.
Anywayz, just a few tips... I do think it's closer to the slipmats being different to one another. Just keep the tonearm weight to 1.5 or something... |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmo K
It could be your needles, or pickup... you've got to know whether they're designed for scratching or not. One of the pickups could be in better shape than the other, if they're not 'that' new.
Using a slipmat does make a difference to. *Always* use slipmats if you are gonna scratch, and if you're gonna get some (with a design), get rather impregnated slipmats rather than ones which have been 'painted'. It does make a slight difference on your lifespan of your more-precious-than-mommy vinyl. There tends to be a smoother spin on these slipmats.
Instead of adjusting your tonearm too much, I would recommend trying the old trick of putting a small coin on top of the pickup (and taping it!). Everyone knows that if you scratch (or even apply more torque\weight), your vinyl 'wears out' faster. So using the coin will do so, but at least it focuses the weight closer to where you want it to be. Otherwise, the usual weight adjustments will only alloy the weight to be evenly displaced along the tonearm, which is not exactly the place we want it if we want to keep the needle from skipping.
Anywayz, just a few tips... I do think it's closer to the slipmats being different to one another. Just keep the tonearm weight to 1.5 or something... |
i would love to do that, but?? which is the pickup???:conf: |
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| Fyx |
When he says pickup he is referring to the place kind of where your headshell screws on to the tone arm, unless he means the headshell, which is where it would make sense to place a weight if needed.
Anyways, it does seem kind of odd that one table would scratch better than the other. Are you using the same record and same side of it on each table to make this observation? If you have a record that is curved, or that has a very tight/loose hole in the center, it has a huge impact at how freely it spins when you manipuate it by hand. Could it be that you are just mistaking the different characteristics of a few records as being a problem with the tables themselves?
For tone arm adjustment, it depends largely on what you are doing with it. For just mixing I perfer to use around 2.5 grams of weight on my tone arm, with my anti-skate set at about 2. If you are a scratch DJ though (you mentioned scratching) you'll want to have your anti-skate at zero, and probably a bit more weight on your tone arm. The actual amount you want is enough so that the needle doesn't skip on you when you do your most violent scratches. But as a beginner I would say that you should try to keep the weight fairly low so that you learn to manipulate the vinyl with a steady hand and don't develop sloppy technique, perhaps around 4.5 grams. If you are going crazy with scratches and it's never skipping on you feel free to take the weight down a little bit and give your vinyl/needles a bit more life.
As for adjusting the tone arm, if you roll the weight back until the arm is kind of floating in the air parallel to the ground, it's now considered to be at zero. You set the little black dial with the numbers so it lines up with the mark on the tone arm. Now as you turn the weight towards the front, the numbers going by the mark indicate how much force is put on the other end of the tone arm. If it goes past zero you just add the full value of the ring to whatever it's showing, make sense? The only time that you really need to put weights on the headshell is when having the tone arm set to max weight isn't enough. I believe the gemini tables you have go to a higher weight setting than technics, and so there shouldn be no need to attatch extra weights. |
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| Cosmo K |
Heehee, yep... forgot to say that it is easier to add weight onto your needle by placing it on a (or the) headshell.
As Fyx said, adjusting the tonearm weight depends a lot on the decks you have. A good example of this is the new straight tonearm decks that are being produced (Vestax turntables being the only thus far, I believe).
The straight tonearm makes for less skipping, and there is less need for as much weight on the tonearm as on the ones on earlier decks with the standard 'bent' tonearms. This is because the weight is more centered on the straight tonearm (which is also quite a bit shorter than the long, bent tonearms found on Technics and the rest of the bunch). However, as the needle is at a marginally different angle when it follows the vinyl's grooves, it wears your records out faster.
Never considered that they might make special needles for them, tho. Hmm.... |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmo K
Heehee, yep... forgot to say that it is easier to add weight onto your needle by placing it on a (or the) headshell.
As Fyx said, adjusting the tonearm weight depends a lot on the decks you have. A good example of this is the new straight tonearm decks that are being produced (Vestax turntables being the only thus far, I believe).
The straight tonearm makes for less skipping, and there is less need for as much weight on the tonearm as on the ones on earlier decks with the standard 'bent' tonearms. This is because the weight is more centered on the straight tonearm (which is also quite a bit shorter than the long, bent tonearms found on Technics and the rest of the bunch). However, as the needle is at a marginally different angle when it follows the vinyl's grooves, it wears your records out faster.
Never considered that they might make special needles for them, tho. Hmm.... |
Ok , well so I rolled back the tone arm weight to zero and then I rolled forward and now it is 2.5,now my tonearm donesn't skip, it is always in the correct point. I think that this is the correct weight for the tonearm. I'm working with 2 gemini PT-2410 and someone of you told me that gemini need more weight in the tonearm. like how much weight do i have to put. :conf: |
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| Fyx |
| Er. no no you don't need more weight. 2.5 is great if it doesn't skip. I just meant that the gemini tables could go higher than technics if you wanted alot of weight. |
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