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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
save the pandas? :(
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Probably of occurance: 0.00001% |
hehe, yah we should think about that, and yah there is no likelyhood of the US wanting or needing to invade China. its fun to postulate i guess. the infrastructure is quite weak, but i doubt we could occupy anything very well...unless its western China...or not|:nervous: |
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| S_madis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Illusion
The US is struggling with a bunch of Iraqi peasants. I'd love to see it going against china.
I think after Vietnam, Americans had a very hard time trying to come in terms with the fact that the US is a declining military power. |
yet at the same time have the technological weapons to wipe any country off the face of this earth.
If a full scale war was to break out, forget this primative style of deploying ground forces to take over a country (only reason it was done in Iraq, was due to the fact that the US evidently had other interests besides riding the world of Saddam) they would most certainly call upon their far superior air force (last time I read it was three times more effective than its closest competitor) to win a war. However, I think that the Chinese would not hesitate in launching a couple of nuclear bombs, which would certainly make things interesting !lol |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| first off why are we even speculating this? there really is no need to go bomb the outta china is there? the possibility of this remotely even happening is .00000000000001 percent...besides china is slowly becoming the future of the world's economy...investment towards businesses in china have increased and will increase even more in the future |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by TuanAnh213
first off why are we even speculating this? there really is no need to go bomb the outta china is there? the possibility of this remotely even happening is .00000000000001 percent...besides china is slowly becoming the future of the world's economy...investment towards businesses in china have increased and will increase even more in the future |
Hmmm a China supporter have we...
yes, China has experienced growth nearing the double digits for the last ten years, and may continue to do so. But the massive peasant population and unbelieveable environmental damage among many other things will surely impede 'the future of the world's economy'
yah, we already stated its unlikely too. we are just guessing| |
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| anuneventrade |
The real question is, IMO,
Who would shoot off the first Nuclear bomb?
Good post Occ btw :) |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
Hmmm a China supporter have we...
yes, China has experienced growth nearing the double digits for the last ten years, and may continue to do so. But the massive peasant population and unbelieveable environmental damage among many other things will surely impede 'the future of the world's economy'
yah, we already stated its unlikely too. we are just guessing| |
china supporter? so am i a communist?oh sue me for having chinese heritage and not wanting any kind of war or bloodshed with china:rolleyes: (im actually from taiwan)
obviously ill take my economics proffesor with the PHD and who works for the federal reserve's word on china over yours about their economic future |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by TuanAnh213
china supporter? so am i a communist?oh sue me for having chinese heritage and not wanting any kind of war or bloodshed with china:rolleyes: (im actually from taiwan)
obviously ill take my economics proffesor with the PHD and who works for the federal reserve's word on china over yours about their economic future |
i didnt say you were a communist.
i did assume you have Chinese heritage but so what?
ok, take your 'proffesor' with 'the PHD'-
Im simply relating facts from my professor who was the Security Adviser to Asia under Clinton. China may be growing substantially, but there are deeper rifts within Chinas development outside of economics that threaten its growth and stability. thats all| |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by priveye03
Who do you all think would win in a war. China with its numbers or the U.S. with its tactics? This is assuming that the war is to be fought on Chinese soil. |
Meine liebe, liebe Freundin das ist eine Katastrophe. Who would care to see such a conflict, I realise that you are being hypothetical, but there is no way that a nation the size of China could be controlled today with its population and weapons. Imagine someone trying to do that on U.S soil, absolutely not, way too large. Look at the Korean war after China(without major weapons, but troop numbers) supported North Korea, can you say war of attrition. |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
i didnt say you were a communist.
i did assume you have Chinese heritage but so what?
ok, take your 'proffesor' with 'the PHD'-
Im simply relating facts from my professor who was the Security Adviser to Asia under Clinton. China may be growing substantially, but there are deeper rifts within Chinas development outside of economics that threaten its growth and stability. thats all| |
then what the hell is the point of going " oh we have a china supporter eh?" what should i being a china supporter have anything to do with this? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
The real question is, IMO,
Who would shoot off the first Nuclear bomb?
Good post Occ btw :) |
Thanks ;). Yes the nuclear bomb issue would be the iffy of the situation. My last post completely disregarded nuclear weapons for obvious reasons ... it's virtually impossible to predict a "victory" with their use. If nuclear weapons were to be used two questions must be asked:
A) Is it going to be a strategic nuclear war?
B) Is it going to be a tactical only nuclear war?
In a strategic nuclear war China would only "win" if they initiated a first strike. The US would lose in the sense that the loss of 15-30 large US cities would be relatively unacceptable to the US despite the complete obliteration of China. If the US were to initiate a first strike China would have no chance at all. Simply put, the US strategic arsenal is so much more adept at first strike scenarios (it was designed to defeat russia) than China could ever hope to match. What makes the US arsenal so lethal? The 12-14 or so Ohio class SSBNs submarines that carry a whopping 50% of the US's strategic arsenal of nuclear weapons. Each submarine carries 24 trident missiles whereby EACH MISSILE contains 5 MIRV (Multiple Independantly Targetable Reentry Vehicle) warheads ... therefore each submarine contains up to a 120 100 kiloton nuclear warheads. One submarine, launching off the coast of China ... its warheads would probably make landfall in 5-10 minutes, relegating the 24 or so Chinese long range ICBMS to radioactive dust.
Second scenario ... a tactical only nuclear exchange. Again I would say the US would "win" such an exchange. The reason I say this is because, once again, the US posseses a far superior arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons. The US possesses thousands of tactical weapons: tomohawk or standoff attack missiles, bombs, artillery, there are even nuclear torpedoes. Compared to China's approximately 300 tactical nuclear weapons and there's no competition. Additionally bear in mind that the US nuclear weapons delivery systems are significantly better than the Chinese. Just about the only chinese warheads that stand a chance of getting through are its missile launched warheads ... all of which are quite succeptible by attack from the air. Anyway further info on US/Chinese weapons systems can be found at:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/index.html
A good analysis of Chinese military modernization compared to US modernization can be found at:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa465.pdf
Yea sorry for babbling ... I'm a huge study of military technology. |
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| Alccode |
Why is this even being discussed?
Do you people want a war?
In today's world, war is unacceptable. Why are we still fighting each other? Don't people realize we're all one species? Why can't we live together? This is ridiculous ... we're even speculating about a war that, if it came to pass, would be incredibly tragic and devastating.
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therefore each submarine contains up to a 120 100 kiloton nuclear warheads.
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This is disgusting. Why do nuclear weapons still exist? Even setting aside one's very humanity and sense of compassion towards one's fellow man, why can't a rational person see that there is no good out of a nuclear weapon? You destroy your target and you irradiate the atmosphere and the planet. Doing that is like chasing a thief out of your house, and setting it on fire at the same time.
Why do some people find war speculation and studying military technology so fascinating? I wonder how fascinating that technology would be, if they were in the shoes of the receiving end of the plethora of killing machines.
This is not meant as an insult to anyone, and I *do* understand the fascination with technology, especially military as it is the technology that is being developed the most today (and often the "coolest"). But remember, the ONE and ONLY purpose of that technology is to kill other human beings. If it was up to me, I would destroy every last tank, gun, fighter, bomber, missile, ship, submarine, and military satellite in the world today without a second thought. |
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| Alccode |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
Hmmm a China supporter have we...
yes, China has experienced growth nearing the double digits for the last ten years, and may continue to do so. But the massive peasant population and unbelieveable environmental damage among many other things will surely impede 'the future of the world's economy'
yah, we already stated its unlikely too. we are just guessing| |
Why does this perceived "competition" with China exist? Thinking like this can ONLY lead to a war! Don't you see? Especially with today's nuclear weapons ... war is out of the question!
Is everyone insane or am I? (Yes, you are. Har har.) |
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