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Michael Moore at Home in "Old Europe" (pg. 2)
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| rupert |
| quote: | | Socialized health care has just as many, if not more, dooming qualites than the current "failing" American system. I'd love to talk about it, since as a health care professional, it is near and dear to my heart. |
I cant let that go through to the keeper.
Taken from the New York Times:
http://truthout.org/docs_03/111803F.shtml
Number of Americans without healthcare = 40 Million
Number of Australians without healthcare = ZERO
Even ignoring that fact, the actual services are more expensive in the USA than Australia. For instance the article mentions the guy who needed an X-Ray which cost more than $100.
In Australia that is recovered by Medicare. I would pay little more than $10.00.
It is a fundamental folly to say that if something is left to private enterprise it will automatically be more efficient. The USA could have a Universal Health care system like every other Western country but it chooses voluntarily to have a third world health care system for the poor and working class. |
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| NeoPhono |
| Well, if you're asking for a healthcare debate, I'll be happy to oblige. Let me get my thoughts together, get home from work (I'm working the 7PM - 7AM shift at the old hospital), get some sleep, and then I'll start a new topic. I gotta tell ya though...I'm pretty passionate about this one. :) |
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| rupert |
Fair enough.
I will step up to the plate as Americans would say when you do |
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| Toufas |
| well its true that most americans dont know where a country could be.... |
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Germany's favorite anti-American Amerikaner was at it again this weekend. Dishing out his usual American bashing to a longing congregation of Europeans, who cheered at every word he stated. Moore riffed, sang and joked his way through the topics that have become standard fare in his books and crowd favorites. He mocked American ignorance by citing a National Geographic geography study in which 70 percent couldn't identify where the U.K. was on the map. He slammed George W. Bush for acting in God's name in Iraq, and read a chapter from his book he titled "Jesus W. Christ." He even told Germans "Don't be like us," he said. "You've got to stand up, right? You've got to be brave." Mixing in sports metaphors, Moore said popular European sports like rugby and soccer revealed the old continent's more cooperative, team-oriented approach to matters. In rugby, if someone gets tackled with the ball, he just throws it to the next person," he said. 'No! You go on without me!' Throughout his usual liberal cannon fodder for the ultra leftists, he never once mentioned any positives of the U.S, He never spoke of liberty and justice for the citizens of the world, he instead choose to continue his brand of I think Bush is so dumb and many Americans are naive. It is why people like this have little credibility, they never propose solutions. Instead they prefer to continually critique the system but have no solid, firm, definitive and contextual substance to their agendas. just my take on this guy however. |
I take him about as seriously as I do Rush Limbaugh, but yes he is brilliant for exploiting the Europeans' stereotypes to make himself rich. Props, and I wish I had thought of it haha!
| quote: | | He even told Germans "Don't be like us," he said. "You've got to stand up, right? You've got to be brave." |
Haha that makes me laugh. Look at what happened the last time the Germans acted "brave.";) |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
I take him about as seriously as I do Rush Limbaugh, but yes he is brilliant for exploiting the Europeans' stereotypes to make himself rich. Props, and I wish I had thought of it haha!
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:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Wonder if I could write a book, purely critical of America, with creative detailing of allegedly factual information, comprised of European stereotypes of ignorant Americans, "we'll from Texas ya'll know":stongue: combined with a moronic title, and feed it to the starving European public "America the badguy" mentality and I will be set for life, Yippeee! Now I know how to make my fortune. Wonder if Canada has a market for it too. Too bad the Mid East market is already taken with the mullahs and clerics in their Friday sermons at the mosques, Darn! Of course all this would require me to believe that the U.S.A is more dangerous than North Korea for starters. |
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| Haunted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Moore is an idiot, and more and more (pardon the pun) people are seeing through his BS. Deep down I think he just craves more power in the form of telling people what to think, thus having his little group of Mooronic(sorry, couldn't help it) followers. While I cannot offer specific sources to indicate where he lives or where his children go to school, I'd say that it would be foolish to assume that he lives anywhere but a NYC Multi-million dollar pad (Unless he lives the lap of luxury in California), and that his kids (if he has any), most certainly go to an elite private school.
Funny he would bash the U.K., and then talk about Rugby and Soccer like that, considering both sports have deep ties/roots in England. Don't believe too much of what that fool says--he's just starved for attention. |
he never bashed UK
learn to read |
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| Haunted |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Well, if you're asking for a healthcare debate, I'll be happy to oblige. Let me get my thoughts together, get home from work (I'm working the 7PM - 7AM shift at the old hospital), get some sleep, and then I'll start a new topic. I gotta tell ya though...I'm pretty passionate about this one. :) |
oh no..... you have.. unwoken.. a sleeping..giant..
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| Spin Doctor |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Throughout his usual liberal cannon fodder for the ultra leftists |
He’s not ultra-leftist by any means. |
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| rizen |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj adagnitio
Moore definitelly manipulates the facts, and is a sell out. However he does make many very good points, and is if nothing else quite entertaining. |
I too agree with this, except for the sell out part. |
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| arctic |
| I can understand people disagreeing with his opinions, but bashing him for sending his kids to a pirvate school is just plain silly. Private schools offer a far better education than state school (At least in Australia). If he wants to give his cildren a head start in life, who could blame him? |
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| NeoPhono |
| The fault is not that he sends his children to private schools. The problem is that he so strongly associates himself with the "common middle class American" yet he himself is so different from the group he says he is looking out for. I don't know many auto manufacturer employees that demand to be lodged only in five star hotels, or grade school teachers that live in million dollar New York apartments, or truck drivers that send their kids to private schools. I think that living this lifestyle, regardless of his background, does not put him in a position to adequately see the real problems facing middle America. |
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