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Your views on the FTAA
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| NYCTrancefan |
| I firmly believe that as Europe comes more and more closer to economic integration of the continent as well as Asia in the upcoming years, It is very important for the U.S. to be an integral part of what could be the largest economic region. The Free Trade Area of the Americas, certainly seems interesting, one of the important questions remaining is will it be ala NAFTA, I actually admire the position that Brazil has adopted in telling the U.S. that in order for us to engage in full free trade, the game must be fair and beneficial to both sides. Too often in these free trade agreements the U.S. is deemed as the monster that dumps its goods onto other markets, while strongly protecting itself, perhaps the main nation that defies this is China in relation to the U.S deficit with it. One of the things is that Brazil wants a flexible agreement that allows nations to signup to parts of the FTAA agreement that they like, as opposed to the U.S. Canada, Chile and Mexico who favor an encompassing agreement, I imagine that as Brazil goes on this agreement so will the rest of South America and maybe Central America and the Caribbean. |
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| LiquidX |
| The view is that Im gratefull of it, since it made me miss college classes 2 days in a row ( yes my college is RIGHT in the heart of all the mexx ) :D |
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| dj adagnitio |
| The FTAA is a very bad and dangerous thing. It is in the best interests of the world for everyone to work against this to attempt to stop it. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj adagnitio
The FTAA is a very bad and dangerous thing. It is in the best interests of the world for everyone to work against this to attempt to stop it. |
Hey DJ Adagnito, c'est important pour les grandes nations pour être respectueux des pe pays, pour ce pacte n’être pas comme NAFTA. C'est pourquoi je crois que le plus dur une affaire pour laquelle le Brésil pousse, le meilleur pour les pe pays. |
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| NeoPhono |
| I believe that globalization/free trade are an inevitable progression of the world economy. With the advent of high speed, cheap communication (eg, the internet), along with high speed transportation, free trade and globalization is the forseeable outcome. I think we can't fight free trade, but only do things to protect ourselves (and our country) from getting burned by it. |
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| Yoepus |
I believe as it stands the Brazilian economy is much more protectionist (as with much of the third and developing world economies) then the USA (and other western countries).
The biggest violation USA and western companies commit is their enourmous subsudizes of agriculture. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
I believe as it stands the Brazilian economy is much more protectionist (as with much of the third and developing world economies) then the USA (and other western countries).
The biggest violation USA and western companies commit is their enourmous subsudizes of agriculture. |
You are correct on this Yoepus, and at the FTAA negotiations America wasn't even willing to discuss the idea of farm subsidy cuts, and I don't see the government getting rid of it, the farm lobby is too strong. It may be brought up again at the next WTO meetings:eek: (gotta love when they put those conferences on). I often feel though that these nations such as Brazil are going through a situation that America and Europe once dealt with in protecting sectors of the domestic economy while developing. A very important aspect is that America, Canada and Europe have figured out how to function in a post-industrialist economy, and many of these nations such as India, China, Brazil have to protect their sectors from large companies coming in and taking over market sectors of Finance and Technology Services in these nations should they open up more access in large economic pacts. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
I believe as it stands the Brazilian economy is much more protectionist (as with much of the third and developing world economies) then the USA (and other western countries).
The biggest violation USA and western companies commit is their enourmous subsudizes of agriculture. |
And steel tariffs ... wtf is bush thinking. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
And steel tariffs ... wtf is bush thinking. |
what? i thought you were a big fan of pitt and the surrounding rest belt! ;) |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
You are correct on this Yoepus, and at the FTAA negotiations America wasn't even willing to discuss the idea of farm subsidy cuts, and I don't see the government getting rid of it, the farm lobby is too strong. It may be brought up again at the next WTO meetings:eek: |
To tell you true, I believe only FTAA and WTO - undemocratic closed organizations can bring about the real changes like reducing the farm subsudies.
These very same organizations aren't subject to the political interest and catering of these strong lobby groups such as those damn farmers.
I can never forsee for instance the US congress cutting the farm subsudies, yet if the "bad and evil WTO made them do it", they could get scott free of it and real necessary good change would happen. |
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| MrSquirrel |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
And steel tariffs ... wtf is bush thinking. |
Son, you must remember that "thinking" is a difficult subject in President School. It takes a long time to master the craft. :p
Odd thing on the imported steel/steel tariff issue I thought I would share (cause I just remembered it).
When I was in Branson, the theatre had bought some 2" steel pipe and ended up not using it and set it outside on the ground until they could find a better place for it. I was outside taking a break and gettin some fresh air and looked down at one of the pieces of pipe. Painted on it was a label "Made in Saudi Arabia". Of all the places to be importing steel from, Saudi Arabia is one of the last places I would have ever guessed at.
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
I firmly believe that as Europe comes more and more closer to economic integration of the continent as well as Asia in the upcoming years, It is very important for the U.S. to be an integral part of what could be the largest economic region. The Free Trade Area of the Americas, certainly seems interesting, one of the important questions remaining is will it be ala NAFTA, I actually admire the position that Brazil has adopted in telling the U.S. that in order for us to engage in full free trade, the game must be fair and beneficial to both sides. Too often in these free trade agreements the U.S. is deemed as the monster that dumps its goods onto other markets, while strongly protecting itself, perhaps the main nation that defies this is China in relation to the U.S deficit with it. One of the things is that Brazil wants a flexible agreement that allows nations to signup to parts of the FTAA agreement that they like, as opposed to the U.S. Canada, Chile and Mexico who favor an encompassing agreement, I imagine that as Brazil goes on this agreement so will the rest of South America and maybe Central America and the Caribbean. |
hmm. well if that were an essay i dont think you would get a decent grade for clarity...
but i think that the rest of Latin America would have a problem following that simply because of the sheer weight of the IMF and World Bank's responsibility in regards to the previous agreements put forth. Brazil is only in a position to talk because they have the only strong economy.
if countries are allowed to choose what they want to follow, that could be alright in the short run - philosophically - but not good overall. Mexico was given an 8 yr period over which to levy the prices of Mexican agriculture in reference to US agro, and they chose cheap US goods straight up after less than 3 years.
there are issues to neolib globalization - and things wont simply turn around because it looks opportunistic, especially when those countries are already into rediculous debt and behind in regards to industrialization| |
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