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Northern Ireland Elections - A Stepbackwards? (pg. 2)
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| TheMightyCad |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Yeah, it's always seemed rather strange to me, as down here the only real religious tension arouses between totally different faiths (eg. Islam - Christianity/Judaism - Islam and so on).
btw, You wouldn't happen to be the same MightyCad from Mpfreescene now would you? :p |
Guilty as charged your honour....;)
What name do you go under in Mpfreescene?? |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
Well Artic the best way to explain it is the English many centuries ago invaded Ireland in the name of the protestant church quite a few times, but what kicked the part off was a lot of protestant colonists who moved over to what is now Ulster (Northern Ireland) and my people murdered them, now England always saw Ireland as a threat because its a Catholic country which they saw as being a puppet state ran by Rome and Spain they invaded it, look under people like Oliver Cromwell & Prince William of Orange that will explain it in their self rightious point of view :rolleyes: .
After many battles we lost and they took over, English Lords moved over took away all the food all the land and ruled over the REAL local people, all this with bad havests over certain centuries led to the potato famine etc.
How the IRA kicked off we didn't like being ruled so in the late 19th century it started up as a small group then reached the cities by the 20th century it became a proper fighting force, and with all the uprisings drove the British out of Ireland, but they kept control of the North because of the population etc.
MightyCad yes more catholics have been killed then protestants over the past few years, but people always look at the past
:rolleyes: and of course there is more protestants been killed overall.
However Adair needs to go I serously mean it the mans dangerous and he calls himself a paramilitary he's a bald head blue nose poof as far as I'm concerned, who attacks innocent people if he faced the real nationalist deal he'd end up in a ing body bag, but on a good note Wrights been taken out Adair needs to go next prefably chuck in Paisley and Dodds aswell. |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheMightyCad
Guilty as charged your honour....;)
What name do you go under in Mpfreescene?? |
heh, Musikal (You may or may not know me, I've got about 650 posts).
Oh yes, cheers for the explanation Mr. O'Callaghan :p. Being an athiest, conflict due to religion is a tad hard for me to comprehend/understand, hopefully some day the NI problems will be overcome. |
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| overdose006 |
well atleast the majority of the parties are moving to the political table and there are more egalitarian laws in place. There will be peace in northern ireland, the question is when.
I want to say within my lifetime, but i can never be too sure.
What iam sure about is that it will never be the same as those dark days in the 60's-70's and for that I can be thankfull |
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| TheMightyCad |
Dj O'Callaghan:
I had the unfortunate "pleasure" of meeting King Rat a few years ago:
I was on a weekend trip to Alton Towers and was staying in a hotel in Stoke with my brother and our wifes.
A few comments were made about our Scots accects by some locals in the hotel bar, I ignored it but Billy Wright stopped me at the bar asking if I wanted a hand dealing with it. I declined his offer, not wanting to start a fight in front of the ladyfolk (me being a gentleman an' al).
Anyway, I didn't have a clue who he was and sat up drinking with him until 4am with his girlfriend and my wife. He seemed a really nice guy, we spoke about religion, politics etc with no hint to his associations. My wife even swaped telephone numbers with his gilfriend.
A couple of weeks later I was watching the news on TV and there he was, needless to say I was shocked. It was at the time he was being told to leave Belfast for his own safety...before he went to the Maze. |
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| smallSHEEP |
| I don't know why the british don't give it back to ireland as it's such a small crappy place. |
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| TheMightyCad |
| quote: | Originally posted by smallSHEEP
I don't know why the british don't give it back to ireland as it's such a small crappy place. |
How ignorant the English can be!!...bloody typical:whip:
You obviously haven't been there, it's a beautiful country with some problems. You seem to have no grasp of the suituation, Britain will never give it back to Ireland, rightly or wrongly. |
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| overdose006 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by TheMightyCad You seem to have no grasp of the suituation, Britain will never give it back to Ireland, rightly or wrongly. |
I dont think it should be up to the brits whom northern ireland *belongs* to anyways |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by overdose006
I dont think it should be up to the brits whom northern ireland *belongs* to anyways |
why not? its theres. |
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| overdose006 |
northern ireland belongs to the people of nortern ireland and their fate lies in their own hands.
Even the brits admit to that
If they want to unite with the republic they can do so, but they must have the will of the majority of the population in ireland |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by overdose006
northern ireland belongs to the people of nortern ireland and their fate lies in their own hands.
Even the brits admit to that
If they want to unite with the republic they can do so, but they must have the will of the majority of the population in ireland |
Well of course the population of ireland as a whole want it united as the protestants are outnumbered 7-1 roughly.
The elections ed things up big time. It was more like 10 steps backwards than 1. :whip: |
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| donegalredneck |
The last time there was a true democratic election in Ireland was in 1918. That year Sinn Féin won 73 of the 105 seats. But in 1921 the Brit government used gerrymandering to partition the country (against the wishes of the people). That's why we're left with a north and a south. The so-called democratic process in the north today is undemocratic in that the northern state came into existance through gerrymandering. It's a fundamental flaw, and everything built upon it is undemocratic.
These latest elections are just an attempt to normalise British rule in Ireland. These elections will not bring true peace and democracy, but prolong the conflict. When there's a British withdrawl a deal will have to happen between the two sides. There will be no other opition then. The root cause of the violence is British interference, not religion as most media try to portray it (and most of the world believe). The founders of Irish Republicanism (who advocated "breaking the connection with England" and uniting all Irishmen "Catholic, Protestant and Disenter") were Protestants. There has always been Protestants involved in the Republican Movement, from its inception til present (and it would be a bit silly of them being involved in a movement which is anti-Protestant)
Oh and I think the IRA should decomission,
as soon as the forces of occupation leave our shores. We're a sovereign nation and are within our rights to oppose imperialist occupation through force of arms, just like you would if your country was occupied by alien forces.
Britain, get out of Ireland.
Isreal, get out of Palestine.
America, get out of Iraq. |
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