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why I reckon the superclubs are dying over here (pg. 3)
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| Ekstasis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertRollie
Bollocks to that, americans may be stupid/willing to pay more, but you have to consider that a) the US dollar is only worth half a pound, and b) the US electronic music scene is ing piss ant in size compared to the UK, due mostly to the fact that their govenrment actively persecutes them because of its association with drugs.
Say a DJ gets paid £5k to play a 2hr set set at gods, thats ~US$10k, then the promototer has to pay for 1st class air fares accomodation and all the rest of that . On top of that, a bg djs in the UK frequently play 2 or 3 venues on a night, in the US they only play one, mostly because there isnt a big enuff scene to support multiple clubs that can afford to spend that much money on djs.
If you ask me, the reason 'trance is dying' is because the big names like pvd, tiesto, armin and ferry are all changing their styles to techno/electro, and people are still paying to see them play trance. Trance is not dead, people just have to wake up to the fact that there are other djs out there. |
This makes sense. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertRollie
Bollocks to that, americans may be stupid/willing to pay more, but you have to consider that a) the US dollar is only worth half a pound, and b) the US electronic music scene is ing piss ant in size compared to the UK, due mostly to the fact that their govenrment actively persecutes them because of its association with drugs.
Say a DJ gets paid £5k to play a 2hr set set at gods, thats ~US$10k, then the promototer has to pay for 1st class air fares accomodation and all the rest of that . On top of that, a bg djs in the UK frequently play 2 or 3 venues on a night, in the US they only play one, mostly because there isnt a big enuff scene to support multiple clubs that can afford to spend that much money on djs.
If you ask me, the reason 'trance is dying' is because the big names like pvd, tiesto, armin and ferry are all changing their styles to techno/electro, and people are still paying to see them play trance. Trance is not dead, people just have to wake up to the fact that there are other djs out there. |
us dollar = about 70p so not too much different and since when do most dj's get to fly first class? :stongue:
it is all about the money and america is where there is fresh money in the scene, RAVE act or no RAVE act, theres plenty of rich yuppies in the cities. |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
I don't think really any country is to blame tbh, US scene is so far spread out because of cities etc its got some big decent clubs, but I think this will be the biggest it will ever be.
The fact that superclubs are dying is due to fat greedy promotors are willing to cash in, look at Creams James Barton who kicked out his business partner who started Home and caused a massive rift with Oakie (when he was good) causing him to leave his residency, and we've got the fantastic Mr Raine, tbh this country is lacking decent young promotors with good ideas thats what will kick the superclubs off again.
I think we do get decent lineups etc over here but there is a lot of the big names etc who play here frequently at least once a month, plus we've got a lot of good up and coming DJs but as this thread mentions the superclubs are dying we need the venues and most of all decent, innovative, young promotors. |
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| j_spot |
spread out or not, when you throw 50K canadian @ A Dj for a gig+filght+hotel+expenses
its hard to turn down, and not expect it from others.
I miss the days where I would randomly surf into UKTA(before it was called that) and see pics of tuface and anita and ste and coup and all of them just trashed, and hear of how good a time they had @ Gatecrasher and all the cyber kids etc.
I miss those days.
I too blame N. America for the loss of your scene. |
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| janieliza |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_mdma
in response to why am I offended...?
(janieliza replies) because i am american....
Thanks to my host Lam who started all this will have more to say when I am home later today:) |
(was mostly kidding with the offended thing, I am offended in a LOL type way...)
Was a bit confused there sorry had the wrong person starting post ...anyway, just my two cents here on America's, (or I could say) "our part" in the demise of superclubs...honestly I am
Not really too well versed in the whole scene in UK, so sorry to but in hope no one minds..that being said, there is no equivalent of superclubs here, and I dont think theres the same widespread market for it(as in UK), nor a real market for the big dj's to play alot. Also, dont notice many major DJ shows here(once a year perhaps) as cities/scenes are so spread out (am repeating/agreeing with DJ O'Callaghan here)...west coast, east coast, very different and far from each otherbut they are the main markets here for trance...And the fans here number much less per capita, as compared to Uk. Most Americans have atrocious musical taste, and except for Miami, NYC and one or two or,they would have problems selling tickets to shows frequently at any price.
OK well hope this made sense, like I said not really as up on the scene as I should be to make the comparison...but have to start somewhere |
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| magnasoma |
| How big are places like Twilo and Glow? |
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| Ekstasis |
| quote: | Originally posted by magnasoma
How big are places like Twilo and Glow? |
Glow is small. Its one floor in a big club total the place holds about 1100, the Glow floor holds 800, but you seriously cant move when there are 800 in there. One of the reasons I wont go on PvD or Tiesto nights. |
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| slinkyhead |
1.superclubs ie big out of town clubs were never sustainable.
2. trance could never stay as big as it was, it grew too big too quickly
3. yes its a shame that cream and GC have gone but new things are coming through eg goodgreef, that (thurs) nite in manchester, resurgence of Passion
4.trance is not dying, its evolving. Ferry corsten at slinky (which was packed the nite b4 NEC) was amzing as was the NEC itself. Can you serioulsy say trance is dying. There is nothing wrong with it becoming less mainstream and of Tiesto, PvD, AvB charge too much for a set people will still want trance and give the likes of Jon OBir, Adam Sheridan, GTR, Pulser, Les Hemmstock, A+B....etc more of a chance.
I remember a night at slinky a couple of months ago with Scott Bond, Solarstone and GTR or summit like that and the atmosphere was incredible. No big names, no lager boys. Just people that wante dto have fun. Id rather have fewer nights nationwide with more quality than loads of nights all overpriced, full of bad attitude and big name djs that don't give a . |
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| dj_mdma |
| quote: | Originally posted by janieliza
(was mostly kidding with the offended thing, I am offended in a LOL type way...)
Was a bit confused there sorry had the wrong person starting post ... |
:p:p:p:p told you so |
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| Grandmaster T |
I think I went on a rant about why the scene has died down a bit a couple of weeks ago but can't remember the thread and won't bore peeps with all that again.
However, I'll bore with this instead!
It used to be cool to go and see someone there was some buzz about that you had not seen b4 and u kinda went to the big clubs for the night rather than anything-else...u just knew they would have someone damn good even if you had not heard them before and the resi's had more of a connection with the crowd. U trusted the promoters as they were creating something and club culture was still being formed. When the cult of the superstar dj and club had been created it was more a question of many promoters bleeding every penny out of it.
These days there is less buzz about the newcomers and the night itself. Big club promoters do feel pressure to get the best (or most famous) 4 or 5 names in and so u end up with that handfull playing all the time these days and getting all the coverage. People feel they have to see these guys again and again but the novelty is just not there and u get people going just because it is the thing to do rather than cos they luv it. It is because society (the media)today places so much attention on individual personalities. Look at politics...the prime minister has always been key but people were more inclined to vote more for the parties than individuals in the past. Look at sport. Yeah it was always about your stars to a large extent, Pele, MJ etc. Now though the likes of Beckham can be injured and go shopping and get more coverage than the whole England team winning a game in his abscence. To me, having the chance to see PVD play somewhere in the country pretty much every month takes something away from it. I preferred it where the big names had more solid residencies and then occassionally rocked it as guests at other venues and in other countries rather than being turned into wandering mercenaries. It was a novelty to see him when he did play your venue and he in return would respond to the enthusiasm. I'm agreeing with the thread to an extent in that globilisation and saturisation of the local scenes have killed them. Cream used to be for Liverpool, Oakie used to be resi and people would come from all over as it was one of the places to have a fecking great time. Same with GC. But when u start running GC in London, NEC etc too it takes something away again. Its everywhere, just like the big name DJs and so it is less of a draw and u don't feel u want to be a part of it as much. Lets sell this over here, or do a baby cream there. The big clubs got soo big they kept wanting to expand and compete and spent less time concentrating on the things that were making them ace at home. Harsh to blame the yanks....but funny. :conf: |
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| jon |
There are many factors which have changed the way clubbing was and is...
take a look at cream, late 90's 100% amazing, the best nites, in a semi run down warehouse.. come 2000/2001 they arnt as popular, they sold out to selling cd's to the masses etc and the money spinning creamfields
MOS mid 90's was one of the better clubs, again went to "money spinning" their cd's - clubbers guides to every thing under the sun, trance nation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9... onto 20000000001 kinda thing...
my personal view to this is that originally the promoters were in it for the music/scene etc but further on down the line since it turned into being in it for the money. this isnt necessarley the promoters "selling out" in some cases it could be the need to hire out a larger club to sustain the demand for quality clubbing nites.
jon
p.s its late and im talking crap, if u disagree with me ill just suspend ya :P |
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| Ekstasis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Grandmaster T
These days there is less buzz about the newcomers and the night itself. Big club promoters do feel pressure to get the best (or most famous) 4 or 5 names in and so u end up with that handfull playing all the time these days and getting all the coverage. |
One of the things thats funny over here. People complain about how much the big names "suck" and there is so much other talent out there. Then when a club takes a risk and books a lesser known DJ, no one goes.
If the only way a club can afford to stay open is by booking the top 5. What else can they do? |
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