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| dj_ilan_yosef |
It has come to my attention that some people who frequent these forums are under the impression that the security fence being put up in Israel is actually a wall. As the former CIA director Woolsey said, "about 90-95% of the 114km seperation is fence consisting of barbed wire and electronic censors, the remainder being a wall only in areas where there has historically been sniper attacks in those areas. they must make those parts concrete.
Even aljazeerah calls it a fence :
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20a...20necessity.htm
I ask those of you who purposely call it a wall to stop misleading people already -- its wrong and causes more harm then good... for both sides! |
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| Palestinian |
* The Wall is not being built on, or in most cases near the 1967 Green Line, but rather cuts deep into the West Bank, expanding Israel's theft of Palestinian land and resources.
* The Wall will de facto annex some 50% of the West Bank, isolating communities into cantons, enclaves and "military zones".
* The Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including almost 1.5 million refugees, will be living on only 12% of historic Palestine.
* Nearly 16% of Palestinians in the West Bank will be "outside" the Wall in the de facto annexed areas by Israel and due to unbearable living conditions —the loss of land, markets, movement and livelihoods—faced with expulsion. This includes over 200,000 residents of East Jerusalem, who will be totally isolated from the rest of the West Bank.
* 98 % of the settler population will be included in the de facto annexed areas.
* The Wall is not a new "idea" - since 1994 the Gaza Strip has been surrounded by a barrier which cuts off the residents from the rest of the world; in the past year Israel has been expanding this barrier as well as building a new "Iron Wall".
check out the full fact sheet:
http://stopthewall.org/factsheets/64.shtml |
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| Palestinian |
The Wall takes on a variety of forms; around Qalqiliya the Wall is pure concrete eight meters (25 feet) high and fortified with armed watchtowers and in other areas it may be part concrete/part fence or a series of razor wire and/or electric fencing all of which includes a 70-100 meter (approximately 230-330 feet) “buffer zone” with trenches, roads, razor wire, cameras, and trace paths for footprints. In Bethlehem and Jerusalem, the Wall is made up of a combination of these edifices.
Regardless of the Wall’s structural differences, the implications are the same for Palestinians-- the inability to travel for employment, medical care, and education atop of the theft of land and resources by and for Israel.
How is the Wall affecting Palestinian communities?
The Wall is devastating every aspect of Palestinian life—already tens of communities have experienced the loss of land, water, and resources which provide their sustenance as well as the destruction of community and personal property. Palestinian villages and towns near the Wall have become isolated ghettos where movement in and out is limited, if not impossible, thus severing travel for work, health, education, and visits to friends and family. For instance, in the 18 communities surrounded into an enclave in the Tulkarem district the inability to travel due to the Wall and Israeli military “closures” has brought the unemployment rate up from 18% in 2000 to an estimated 78% in the spring of 2003. In Qalqiliya, where the Wall hermitically seals the city with one Israeli military controlled checkpoint, nearly 10% of the 42,000 residents have been forced to leave their homes due to the city’s imprisonment, closure of the market, and inability to find work. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
* The Wall is not being built on, or in most cases near the 1967 Green Line, but rather cuts deep into the West Bank, expanding Israel's theft of Palestinian land and resources.
* The Wall will de facto annex some 50% of the West Bank, isolating communities into cantons, enclaves and "military zones".
* The Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including almost 1.5 million refugees, will be living on only 12% of historic Palestine.
* Nearly 16% of Palestinians in the West Bank will be "outside" the Wall in the de facto annexed areas by Israel and due to unbearable living conditions —the loss of land, markets, movement and livelihoods—faced with expulsion. This includes over 200,000 residents of East Jerusalem, who will be totally isolated from the rest of the West Bank.
* 98 % of the settler population will be included in the de facto annexed areas.
* The Wall is not a new "idea" - since 1994 the Gaza Strip has been surrounded by a barrier which cuts off the residents from the rest of the world; in the past year Israel has been expanding this barrier as well as building a new "Iron Wall".
check out the full fact sheet:
http://stopthewall.org/factsheets/64.shtml |
Sort of makes Camp David look like an excellent bargin huh?
Too bad Arafat didn't think so.:rolleyes:
Today I think most people view a fence as simply a minor wall, so it might be a more PC term to use.
Though I believe it is sort of pointless whether you call it a fence or a wall. I myself actually prefer wall, as a wall is built historically to keep enemies out, the same connotation implies here. A fence on the otherhand is usually built to define territory. A rancer for instance puts a fence around his ranch not a wall to mark his land, and make sure cattle don't go to the other side. A wall is what in history they built to keep enemies out, espeically of cities under beseigement.
Considering this, Palestinian you might want to reconsider what you call it ;) |
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| TranceGiant |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Sort of makes Camp David look like an excellent bargin huh?
Too bad Arafat didn't think so.:rolleyes:
Today I think most people view a fence as simply a minor wall, so it might be a more PC term to use.
Though I believe it is sort of pointless whether you call it a fence or a wall. I myself actually prefer wall, as a wall is built historically to keep enemies out, the same connotation implies here. A fence on the otherhand is usually built to define territory. A rancer for instance puts a fence around his ranch not a wall to mark his land, and make sure cattle don't go to the other side. A wall is what in history they built to keep enemies out, espeically of cities under beseigement.
Considering this, Palestinian you might want to reconsider what you call it ;) |
Haha, love the last line Yoepus |
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| Palestinian |
| No it doesn't matter what you call it. The implications are the same. |
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| Cyrus King |
| Very Interesting sig palestinian....im not surprised that was quoted by one of the fathers of zionism. |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
SECURITY FENCE DISTORTIONS
Photos portraying the Israeli security fence as a massive wall, towering over hapless Palestinians, are in news outlets everywhere these days ¯ these are from AP and Reuters this week:
This wave of pictures distorts the physical reality of the security fence. While nearly all news photos show an enormous concrete structure, in fact only 3% of the security fence will be constructed from concrete. Such sections are in high terror-risk locations such as eastern Jerusalem (above) and adjacent to Kalkilya, where in June Palestinian snipers burrowed under the fence, shot and killed 7-year old Noam Leibovitch in her family car.
Fully 97% of the barrier will be a chain-link fence:
The fence ¯ necessitated by three years of relentless Palestinian terror ¯ is a temporary, defensive measure, supported by 80% of Israelis. Death at the hands of terrorists is permanent and irreversible. The inconvenience caused to Palestinians by the security fence will end once terrorism stops and peace is achieved.
Meanwhile, the media is falsely presenting the fence as a new "Berlin wall" ¯ which makes for a far more dramatic news photo.
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In print, such distortions are sometimes exacerbated by outright factual errors: On December 3, the Boston Globe published an op-ed by Tom Wallace entitled "Israel's Unholy Wall," a completely one-sided screed against the security fence that contains this claim:
If built according to current maps, the wall will confiscate 55 percent of the Palestinian West Bank, including eight critical water wells.
Whose map is Wallace using? The map pictured here, courtesy of the left-wing B'Tzelem, is based on the Israeli Ministry of Defense's operative plan and places the fence very close to the "Green Line":
As illustrated here, no more than 10-15% of the West Bank will be on the western side of the security fence. It's also important to remember that the West Bank's "Green Line" has never represented an international boundary ¯ the 1949 armistice agreements specifically refer to this fact. And there's never been a recognized sovereign entity in the West Bank.
So on what basis did Wallace make his exaggerated claim of "55 percent of the Palestinian West Bank"?
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Here is a succinct response to the security fence's critics, by Israel's ambassador to the US, Daniel Ayalon:
Those who oppose the fence say it's really a land grab, that we are prejudging any political outcome and making life harsher for the Palestinians. But we say no, it's not any of these. Categorically, this is a buffer zone. It's certainly not a political border because it can be removed at any time. If the Palestinians stop terrorism, we won't need a fence. By stopping terrorism I mean dismantling their infrastructure, collecting illegal weapons and closing the explosives labs. We can't allow them to regroup; the leaders must be arrested. Do this and we won't need a fence.
More excellent background material on the security fence is online at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, which contains information like this:
Israel has made the use of public lands a priority in building the security fence, in order to avoid, as much as possible, the use of private lands. If this is not possible, then private land is requisitioned, not confiscated, and it remains the property of the owner. Legal procedures allow every owner to file an objection to the use of their land. When private lands are used, owners are offered full compensation, in accordance with the law; this compensation is offered both as a lump sum and also on a monthly basis.
Also, see the explanatory site of the Israeli Defense Ministry.
HonestReporting encourages subscribers to respond to distorted and inaccurate portrayals of Israel's security fence in your local media.
Thank you for your ongoing involvement in the battle against media bias.
HonestReporting.com |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
I've decided to post this article here as it directly has to do with the Security Fence. Please be aware of the implications removing this fence would bring. If you claim to be a humanitarian and a spokesperson for human rights, than start claiming this to be the best life-saving move on behalf of the Israeli Government!
Dec. 3, 2003
Suicide bombers caught on their way to Yokne'am school
By DAVID RUDGE AND MARGOT DUDKEVITCH
Suicide bombers caught on their way to Yokne'am school
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Three days after Syrian President Bashar Assad called for renewed talks with Israel, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, whose offices are in Damascus, sent two suicide bombers to attack Israeli schoolchildren in Yokne'am and more Israelis in the northern city of Beit She'an.
A senior security official told Channel 1 TV news Wednesday night that Islamic Jihad headquarters in Damascus issued the order to its Jenin cells to carry out the attacks. The order was given in the past few days, the source said.
A massive security alert in the North was lifted on Wednesday afternoon after the two Palestinians allegedly planning a suicide bombing at a school in Yokne'am were captured by soldiers in the West Bank.
The arrests of the two – both members of the Palestinian Authority security services and affiliated with Islamic Jihad – came after a daylong alert imposed on the Wadi Ara area.
Security sources said the two had planned an attack on a school near the commercial center of Yokne'am and another in Beit She'an.
They said that the attempt to attack a school was a "serious escalation."
One security source confirmed that Munir Rabiah, 23, of Gaza City, and Morad Zeitoun, 20, of Zbubeh, near Jenin, are both members of the PA security forces.
They revealed to security officials the whereabouts of a 10-kg. explosives belt that Rabiah was to have worn in the attack in Yokne'am, the source said.
A Shin Bet source said the two men left Jenin Tuesday morning and set out for Bardaleh, where they planned to cross into Israel. "They told investigators that they had chosen the location as there is no security fence in the area," he said.
At about 2 p.m., acting on an intelligence tip-off, security forces arrested Rabiah after surrounding a mosque in the Israeli-controlled part of Bardaleh. Palestinians reported there were 20 worshipers inside the mosque when it was surrounded by troops, who entered the village and imposed a curfew.
Zeitoun had been arrested by security forces in a sweep of the Jenin area late Tuesday night and early Wednesday morning. According to the source, he planned to perpetrate a suicide bombing in Beit She'an.
Security officials noted that there are a number of different cells affiliated with the Islamic Jihad and the Fatah Tanzim in Samaria which continue to plan attacks. On Wednesday, the security establishment registered 42 warnings of planned attacks.
During the high alert, the Wadi Ara road was closed and roadblocks were set up in the area, causing severe traffic jams. |
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| Yoepus |
| now that is some zionist mustard! |
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| ahlamalek |
it doesn't matter, if it is a wall, a fence, call it whatever you want. At the end of the day, Palestinians feel more and more like cattle, with less lands and less means to survive.
You try to find some excuses and legitimize what is not (like your country for example), but people aren't stupid, they will rise and bring down that silly fence.
On another note, I was watching the news and i was enjoying the fact that more and more Israelis are leaving Israel for other countries (Canada for example) because they cannot bare the warlike climate over there, and that is specially true with young people and couples with children. They just don't see any future for their country. Who will be left to defend Israel?
Can't you all see that this wall is just one of many desperate measures to slow down the downhill spirale that this state is enduring now?
1.2.3 you can flame me now. |
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