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BT & Britney Spears?? (pg. 7)
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| havok118 |
Renegade,
Nothing you have said is at all relevant to the point that Leigh was making, so congratulations for the multi-page rant that didn't make any sense. We're all dumber for having read it.
Second, are you in contact with the production company the BT and Britney collaboration will be published on? If not, you can't accurately say whether either artist will be limited to produce only what "sells."
| quote: | So what exactly do you describe his last piece of work as then? The future of trance? A forward-thinking progressive masterpiece? I certainly wouldn't. In fact, ironically, I'd call it "Pop".
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Read my previous post. BT rarely produces anything that could be called "trance" anymore. He is experimenting with music.
He's expanding his horizions, so what if the music isn't considered as "underground" as it once was? He can still work his way around a studio better than 99% of the people in the business. Just because he's producing music aimed at a different crowd doesn't mean he is selling out.
Sorry to be rash, but I'm sick of all you know-it-all bastards who claim superior knowledge, when you go on second-hand information.
Call him a sell-out, don't listen to anything he produces from now on. Your loss. |
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| cweb |
| sorry havok but I have to agree with Renegade. Maybe you have some bt-glasses on, and refuse to view the bad parts about bt. Personally I'm not an expert about bt, but when you work with someone like britney you cant "experiment", thats for sure. |
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| hypronix |
So, nobody is aloowed to experiment because us smartheads on TA wouldn't let them. HAHAHA!
There R still enough comunities web-wide that suport BT and respect him because of what he has done (amazing work to say the least) and what he is doing. Scoring movies (is that selling out to you guys?!!), helping pop "artists" (I still have no respect for the genre whatsoever) or just doin' nothin' (well..that hasn't been the fact though..)... quite busy.
But no, he isn't doin' trance anymore...I'd say (also) he is experimenting. Take "never gonna come back down" (nothing to trance in it, but such an amazingly "catchy" song..gets me dancin' on the street!), it has been, much of it, improvisation.
And don't 4get "Mercury and Solace".
But then, why this whole fuzz? U can say U will not buy BT, or listen to BT anymore..whatever. Some still will. And even if I will not like the soon-2-come album, this doesn't mean I'll forget BT.
Somewhere I've read this:
"Did trance left BT behind?
Nope, BT left trance!"
(just to say it!) |
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| havok118 |
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cweb,
I'm not saying I like the new stuff, but I respect it. Stereotyping an artist because of who he/she/they works with is ignorant. |
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| cweb |
| someone blast me ignorant, first time that happens, but easy. I have no problem with artists who make experiments, one of my all-time favs is moby, a multitalented artist. but WHY take part in an experiment involving britney spears AND the goddamn musicindustry behind her? I mean there you have almost no place to experiment, you have to follow the orders from above. I'd would have no problem if britney was just a singer without this money-looking industry behind her. And I dont think that these artists(nstink and britney) are all very good friends of bt. |
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| hypronix |
| It's true U don't have "space" in the pop industry, but since Bt was able to co with NSYNC, I guess it wasn't so bad for him! |
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| cweb |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
it wasn't so bad for him! |
and thats the bad part! I have no respect for artists who take part in the well organisised pop industry(specially those behind boygroups and britney, christina, etc), sorry for that. |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by cweb
and thats the bad part! I have no respect for artists who take part in the well organisised pop industry(specially those behind boygroups and britney, christina, etc), sorry for that. |
U R free to think whatever U want. but I still say the best thing if U want to judge him is too wait for the album. not so long to it!
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Renegade,
Nothing you have said is at all relevant to the point that Leigh was making, so congratulations for the multi-page rant that didn't make any sense. We're all dumber for having read it. |
Erm, did you actually read it havok? Instead of directing personal attacks at me, would you like to tell me exactly why you think my argument is wrong? No, it wasn't all relevant to what Leigh had posted, but it was all relevant to what we're talking about here in this topic. Why do you feel dumber having read it? Just because I happen to disgree with you?
| quote: | | Second, are you in contact with the production company the BT and Britney collaboration will be published on? If not, you can't accurately say whether either artist will be limited to produce only what "sells." |
No, I'm not in contact with the production team, but my argument still stands to reason. Would you mind explaining to me why Brittney's managers would allow her to take a couple of weeks off to produce a song if they didn't think that they were going to make any money from it? They're there to make money, not art - I'm sure that you're already aware of this. Why would they allow BT to take a risk with their money then, when they can just get him to release a generic pop track guaranteed to go top ten? And if Brittney's signed to a record label already, she can't just go behind their back and release something on a different label. So basically her producers and managers by definition will be watching the recording process every step of the way, and I can't see them being too interested in allowing BT a great deal of creative freedom.
I think that you're being a little bit idealistic when it comes to the kind of track that we can expect from them. Fine, if it's an absolute cracker then I'll gladly take back what I said, but there seems to be little reason to think that this will be the case. But anything short of a cracking track in this case, due to Brittney's image in the eyes of true music lovers (i.e. a talentless corporate tool), gives us every right to be judgemental with respect to the track, and every right to reproach BT as an artist (though not necessarily as a producer) for doing so.
| quote: | Read my previous post. BT rarely produces anything that could be called "trance" anymore. He is experimenting with music.
He's expanding his horizions, so what if the music isn't considered as "underground" as it once was? He can still work his way around a studio better than 99% of the people in the business. Just because he's producing music aimed at a different crowd doesn't mean he is selling out. |
Um, I never said that he only produces trance. However, the fact is, whether he was a trance artist or a classical artist or a rock artist, producing pop music is a step backwards artistically. I'm sure that you'll agree with me on this one.
Now don't get me wrong, the guy is a bloody brilliant producer - he has more musical knowledge then most. But this is the main reason why I'm disappointed with his decision to collaborate with N-Sync. These pop bands are, whether you care to agree with me or not, talentless. They've been selected more for their looks or "image" rather than musical ability. That's why the choreography with these bands is as important as the lyrics - if they can sing, then it's a bonus, if not then it's singing classes for three months. It's that simple - they lip-sync (excuse the pun) at all of their concerts, do a meaningless dance to their vapid, brain-numbing "music" and then exit stage left several hundereds of thousands of dollars richer.
Now I'd like to hear what your definition of selling out is right about now? If collaborating with these chumps isn't selling out then I'm struggling to think about what might be. They aren't interested in producing decent music, just making money, and it shows in the end result. By producing "Pop" with them, BT has sent a clear message that he is prepared to sacrifice what he considers important about music just to get his name on a cd cover and/or make a bit of cash.
You honestly think that he would chose to enter the studio with the band (or, more likely, the band's producers) to produce a generic pop track with little or no scope for creativity, purely from an artistic point of view? How can he be considered an artist when he's basically being told what to produce? BT may be a great producer, but there is no way in hell I could call him an artist with a straight face anymore. No matter which way you look at it, producing a track with the epitomy of a boy-band was a cynical excercise, regardless of what BT's original motives were. If he were to produce a track with Brittney under the same circumstances, it would only go to strengthen my views. |
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| Leigh |
| haha wow. these last few pages are the most academically written arguments i have ever seen on this forum. even if you dont agree with them, you gotta admire the time and effort some people are putting in to get their point across :stongue: |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by Leigh
haha wow. these last few pages are the most academically written arguments i have ever seen on this forum. even if you dont agree with them, you gotta admire the time and effort some people are putting in to get their point across :stongue: |
Yep, it has good arguments though!
I agree with the fact he is a "bloody brilliant producer"
And I'd say I would have been happier if he wouldn't have made these co's...
but then again, why care? what damage is to our trance comunity this fact?
if it only damages his reputation as a trance artist...I think he is aware about the disputes he is causin' (throught the fans, not here on TA!), but he still is doing this.
I repeat, WAIT 4 THE ALBUM!:stongue: |
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| havok118 |
Renegade,
Sorry about the personal shots, yesterday was a rough day, had to vent somewhere. Offense was initially intended, but I take it back. ;)
On topic again...your posts were addressed to Leigh, and your assumptions are illogical. First of all, you say BT is not going to have much in the way of creative freedom. If you knew anything about his history at nettwerk, you would know that he would not work on something that he didn't have complete freedom to produce what he wanted. Second, he's rich, why sellout now?
All that I am saying is that condemning someone for who they work with is ridiculous. Sure, I agree both Britney and N'sync are corporate tools(emphasis on TOOLS). But that doesn't mean that they can't be ARTISTS as well. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt, and keeping an open-mind to their ability. Both are in a financial position that allows them to not have to worry about selling records anymore, if they so choose it. All I am saying is that is a POSSIBILITY, not a reality.
I probably won't like the track at all. But I'll give it a shot, and I certaintly won't call BT a sellout. The man has been the future of music for the last 5 years, it just doesn't make sense for him to throw it all away to make a few bucks.
Respect. |
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